Most wanted tanks?

[Loupblanc]

 - I still think JagTiger could be called JagDKing and
 Elephant/Ferdinand ought to be called JagDTigers :p
 Oh well.
 
 ... Panzer1 ? Panzer 2 before Panzer 1 !!! LOL

 I know it needs Wespe though

[Ryousan]

Lets have in count there must be some tivy historical accuracy, because sending Panzer Is and IIs against T-34 and IS-2 is kinda ridiculious.

About the whole Jagdtiger issue, the problem is how to include it, as a doctrin unit or how? Because if we are already including Tigers and Elephants we are giving too much heavy armor to axis.

I suggest to include the Jagdtiger in the Ostheer Campaign to put it in some use.

Off topic: Im the only spanish speaker of the forum?

[GI John 412]

Lets have in count there must be some tivy historical accuracy, because sending Panzer Is and IIs against T-34 and IS-2 is kinda ridiculious.

But not so ridiculous to send one after infantry targets or light tanks or soft targets.  Not all tanks have to be used as mainline units.  Would you send a Stuart against a Tiger or a Hotchkiss or Puma against a Pershing?

Perhaps the Panzer I could be used as a sort of super jeep.  Only LMGs but good armour against rifle fire (but not AP machine guns).  Like a puma but much earlier on, smaller and much less firepower.

[luz777]

... Panzer1 ? Panzer 2 before Panzer 1 !!! LOL

Well if you have the 38t theres no real need for a Panzer II...except as a reward unit 

I do think the Wespe needs a place somewhere though.

Lets have in count there must be some tivy historical accuracy, because sending Panzer Is and IIs against T-34 and IS-2 is kinda ridiculious.

As GI John said you obviously wouldn't send light tanks against heavy tanks...or would you? 

3 Hotchkiss vs IS 2

And if you talk about realism then the Jagdtiger should not be included in the Ostheer, as stated on the last page it was a Western Front Unit, give or take maybe one or two late war engagements.

Perhaps the Panzer I could be used as a sort of super jeep.  Only LMGs but good armour against rifle fire (but not AP machine guns).  Like a puma but much earlier on, smaller and much less firepower.

My thoughts exactly 

Cheers

[Ryousan]

But not so ridiculous to send one after infantry targets or light tanks or soft targets.  Not all tanks have to be used as mainline units.  Would you send a Stuart against a Tiger or a Hotchkiss or Puma against a Pershing?

The Panzer I and II were outdated when the Operation Barbarossa started, the mainstay of axis armored forces were the panzers III, to deal against against infantery and soft targets they relayed mainly in halftracks and armored cars.

[Loupblanc]

 yea. I could tolerate Pz3 at worse, even throwing in
 an update improving it's gun (L)(J)? if needed (75muni?)
 But, ahh...
 
 Pz1 ? Nooo way.
 
 Pz2 and Pz38(t) are stretching it. ALTHOUGH I know they
 were used early on. Vs T26's and BT's (Must get those
 in-game, lol). Ok, make a deal. Allow 'em as reward units
 if T26/BT make it in too Deal?

[luz777]

If the devs are happy to make them, I'm happy to make a deal haha 

[GeneralSatan]

There is only 1 tank on my mind, and it is not even listed: Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus (Sd.Kfz 205) Only deployed against the USSR near the end of the war, it was by far larger than the King Tiger!

[Aouch]

... and never used.
Get over it. Maus is just unrealistic, dumb and doesn't fit into the Ostheer, same on Sturmtiger and Jagdtiger.

Furthermore I fully agree with Loup. No Pz I. Pz II maybe, but Pz III and Pz 38(t) fit by far better into CoH. 

[Ryousan]

Panzer IIIs are a must have if we are talking of the Ostheer, about the early Panzer models, im not quite sure...they were outdated even by lightest of russian armor I even read somewhere that the Stuart had a bigger gun and better traits that the Panzers I and II.

[luz777]

Aye the Stuart would easily be able to take on a Panzer I or II, the idea for the Panzer I would be as a scout and anti-infantry unit though, like a tough bike, or Bren Carrier type of roll.

I can't really see the need for a Panzer II unless its the Flammpanzer "Flamingo" varient, again used to kill infantry.

Just because its a tank doesn't mean it has to be used against other tanks. You'd never attack a Panzer IV with a Bren Carrier, so why attack a T-34 with a Panzer I?

As for the Maus, noooooooooooooooooo. 

[Ryousan]

Im not suggeting that Im dumb enough to sent a light tank against a Heavy Tank, Hat im saying is that there are other kind of vehicles that were more fit for the role of scouting or skirmishing.

But I see your point.

[BurroDiablo]

Panzer II would be a light tank capable of taking down infantry, its gun would be much like a Puma's. It doesn't need to be the flamingo version to take down infantry, it had enough killing power against infantry on its own. 2 of these things grouped together would quickly turn conscripts into matryoshkas.

[Loupblanc]

 Yea, I'm with him on that one.
 Pz2 is like a tracked Puma, just about.
 That can't have a 50mm upgrade.

[Voop_Bakon]

 Yea, I'm with him on that one.
 Pz2 is like a tracked Puma, just about.
 That can't have a 50mm upgrade.

but instead a flamethrower upgrade?