The Ostheer

[huggy]

Hey, nice seeing you put alot of effort into some suggestions

allthrough i think some off them are abit Smurf and less through thought, not that i say theyre not good and dont sound cool. I just think they wont work with the so called "Vanilla gameplay"

the HQ truck thing sounds abit too good to be true ... meaning that you will put an powerfull panzer army as the Axis are, into a high mobile steamroller killing machine ... Imagine a axis player that can req Panthers out off a mobile armoury, + resource bonus on the place its locked down...

i also don't like the argument about that the HQ trucks are a must - because the axis ostheer was a mobile army ... Tell me wasent the US and Soviet also mobile armys ? why dont they have trucks ? soviets steamrolled throw the eastern front when the germans was on retreat. In fact i think every army was mobile.

As you see the british gets mobile HQ's but whats the negative thing about that ?? they are slow !!! slow as hell ... theyre infantry units cap slow, they walk slow (except recon element upgrade) so infact to balance that IDEA you would have to make the ostheers inf and cap units slow ... that adds the historycal questions ? did the axis cap slow moveing into russia ? hell no MARSH MARSH !

The bunker building axis system just fits them perfect i think... but thats just my opinion.

i hope you wont be offended by my critics against the HQ truck things.

[Loupblanc]

 Ryousan : No problem, happy to help when I can
 
 Huggy : Pro and con. Everyone wants their pet faction to
 be OP. I'd settle for flavored and balanced

[huggy]

i agree with you again mr Loupblanc, gief balance !

[Loupblanc]

 Thank you

 I try hard

[Sovereign]

The way that they should be distinguished between their western comrades is that they need constant upkeep of supplies and or supply trucks..

It would work well in adding the desired effect of unique feel as in this army isn't just a clone of its other in the western front..

[Loupblanc]

 - Meh. Doesn't work. More lag. Especially for huge maps,
 think about it. I already suggested something akin to PE's
 scout cars, though. Having a Zis6 truck come in and lock
 the map. Works like something between british HQ trucks
 and PE scout cars, minus MG, but who can be used to
 replenish a squad

[huggy]

1. yeah its sound very unique ! but its seems to be abit off an "alice in wonderland" idea ... its too demanding and you will end up with an SLOW axis army (atleast) as i wrote.

2. I dont get the argument about it being another clone off an axis army if they decided to add bunkers and stationary hq ... theres gonna be unique units rolling out the buildings anyway so i dont get the thing that you have to change everything so much and fuk up the gameplay with axis command trucks ... i just think its a too big ambition.

[Loupblanc]

 Oh, I don't mind the Axis trucks one bit.
 Allied got 1 faction with trucks, why shouldn't the axis?
 Besides, Ostheer is an EXPEDITIONNARY faction, so why not?
 
 Heck, I'd make their HQ be a train station and stuff if I could.
 Nothing wrong with that. BUT tons of trucks all over the place
 just for ressource's sake? Look at it from an engine/dev point
 of view, too...

[herrkamerad]

Perhaps a sturmtiger would be a good command tree unit.

[Loupblanc]

 Sigh. Sturntiger... why ALWAYS a super german tank???
 ... I loved when someone suggested a Gustav strike, now
 THAT was hot

[Ryousan]

I considered a gustav artillery strike, I had a lot of ideas in my head, but the problem is...how to include all those things without making the army way too powerful the army?

What Im considering is to include a once per battle support power that allows you to deploy a Tiger into the battlefield.

I think that that what makes the Ostheer is difficult army to design is that everyone wants to be original and not to spam the other axis armies but by doing so they are tearing the esence of an axis force.

One time I read that without Tigers, 88s and Panthers, the Ostheer wanst the Ostheer and that is quite true , since the Tigers and Panthers were the direct response of the germans to the soviet T-34 and other heavy tanks

[Loupblanc]

 I KNOW !!!! Exactly my point.
 How can you make an OstHeer without Tiger/Panther/
 Panzer4/StuG(variants)/Marder type tanks, 88???

 I think for one, they ought to explore other army's units.
 Even if it's a StuG4/75 with finnish decals on it, at least
 REPRESENT other countries that helped out!!!
 
  Also, well, I think Trucks would be nice For HQ.
 And someone made an Ostheer proposal I loved very
 much. Lots of interesting and unique approaches, but
 trucks would be hot

  Said something about log/temporary bunkers. That was
 nice. I like maluses as much as I like bonuses. ANything
 that adds flavor.
 
 Gustav artillery strike is a MUST! big time

 99% of people's proposals all seem like : Well my not-op
 faction would call in unlimited elephants, ferdinands,
 JagTigers, Maus at the click of 1 button...

 Got to balance it against the americans, etc, people.
 Chess isn't fun when one side automatically wins. Everyone
 wants the all-queen dream team, but... what's the sport in
 it? Then everyone would INSIST on playing THE OP team...
 And all games would automatically be against AI

 ... Since no one would DARE play anything else but
 'the OP faction'

[Ryousan]

Well i have been reading all the recent posts.

First of all. I didnt say that command trcuks are a must, but I thought that we have already two german forces with stationary HQs and I design my proposal to be the more original as possible. Second, as huggy said my proposal is greedy thats WHY I added the "cooldown" special feature to my Ostheer proposal, besides every single vehicle and upgrades reduce the income of resources you get (there is the representation of the supply shortage)

And,as Loup (and almost everybody said) Im trying my best to add more flavor to the Ostheer.

The german forces that fought in the eastern front were probably the best trained and equipped forces of the entire war, I want my concept to show that...   

[Loupblanc]

 Every army loves to say theirs was the best armed/equipped
 though

 I like HQ trucks for ostheer. Or, rather, a railroad train
 station? Novel, nice... no?

[Ryousan]

Weel loup I think the problem that the railroad has is that...well I Would be way too complicated to desing for the modders not to mention that a railroad station has  to have rails and we are talking about doing some serious work for every single map to include it.

And for the Gustav strike...I wonder how it would look like. Like some massive artillery shell with a big boom?