Unit suggestion thread:

[SSgtTherrien]

Seriously, what's the point in creating a unit like the Gebirgsjäger you suggested?
You basicly said they're uber in close range, uber in long range (sniper), uber against tanks (disable them) and have their field guns for artillery support. 
In my opinion, if the Gebirgsjäger are actually added, it should be a small infantry unit (3-4 men) which is good for long-range anti-infantry combat. Armed with scoped K98k or G43. However, they suck at close range. But I would like it even more, if this role is being taken by a foreign unit like Romanian Mountaineers or Italian Alpini. (Label them "Foreign Mountaineers" or "Southern Mountain Specialists" to avoid ppl bitching about "why isn't my country in!!111".)
No point in making nearly the complete Ostheer into a Gebirgsjäger-Korps.


Now, to my suggestion:
I know there were already suggestions to make the Ostheer mobile by giving them special halftrack-conversions to beware the recrewing-bug SU is suffering under.
For example the SdKfz 10 [nofollow] is the Ostheer's standard troop-transporter.
SdKfz 10/4 or /5 [nofollow] with 2cm FlaK38 as AA and AI-weapon, while SdKfz 10/5 [nofollow] with 5cm PaK38 as AT-weapon.
This vehicles where in most cases unarmored and therefore are a simple target for every attacker (take into account the PE uses the armored SdKfz 250). Of course, this would balance the mobility of the halftracks, however, they could be even faster destroyed than the paper-armor SdKfz 250 and 251.

Now, many concepts seems to include the 251, but as we all now, this thing is already part of the WH. I know it was the most common IAFV, but how about the Ostheer actually get something new?

German Forces captured many French halftrack (UNIC P107) during the Western Campaign, some of them were converted by "Commando Becker", which also created the Marder-tankdestroyer-series and other improvised armor, into SPW U304(f) [nofollow]. There were also upgunned versions with 2cm FlaK [nofollow] and others.
I don't know if they served on the Eastern Front, but Becker's unit, the 21st Panzerdivision served from early 1945 till the end of the war in the East.

Well the romanians went against the germans at the end of the war, and they are not ueber (thats the spelling without the umlaut. and btw the word means over) They suck against tanks, few tanks were successfully stopped.

[Aouch]

Well the romanians went against the germans at the end of the war, and they are not ueber (thats the spelling without the umlaut. and btw the word means over) They suck against tanks, few tanks were successfully stopped.

Actually, I'm German and thus know it has to be "über". However, as we know, it doesn't make any sense at all to call something "über".
"Uber" however is a word usually used in modern English/AE language or as an internet-"slang"-word to show the superiority of a thing or a certain person. 

But now, for god's sake, that was OT. 

Romanians fought of course against Third Reich in the end of the war.
Italy, too. However, I don't think that's a reason to not add Foreign Units, as they played a vital aspect in the war. (Think of Stalingrad, which was surrounded due to badly equipped Romanians)

[Seeme]

I thought Stalingrad had Germans?

[GodlikeDennis]

Army Group South would have had lots of Romanians I would think.

[Newbie.]

AGS had the highest amount of Slavacks in the German Army, one of the reasons why they lost Stalingrad is they had the Romanians, Hungarians and Bulgarians holding the flanks and not the Wehrmacht.

[Pauly3]

hey newbie
isnt it ironic that your 2nd signature is against 1337 speech and your first one spams it all over the place??
 
just saying
regards pauly3

Such a post would be better send by PN function!
Back to topic 
Lord Rommel - DEV

[Werwolf]

...I don't see why we can't have captured French HTs for OH, since many of the actual "Beute" equipment used by the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS were unaccounted for in their official records (that, or the records themselves were destroyed along with other documents in the last days of the war).

Due to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons. Which might also explain the purpose of the "Eselschreck" unit in the original Relic files 

[Aouch]

Yeah, that's why I suggested it. 
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

Due to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.   
Horses were the main "transport" for everything. 

[Werwolf]

Yeah, that's why I suggested it. 
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

Due to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.   
Horses were the main "transport" for everything. 

Yes they were (horses)... even Waffen-SS divisions such as the Handschar used mule trains etc. to lug their equipment around. I was just commenting on the scarcity of Wehrmacht-issued motorized equipment on the Eastern Front... which were mostly given to recce units, and to "prioritized" divisions such as Panzer Lehr, GD, LSSAH, HJ, and Das Reich  That said, it wasn't unusual either for the landser to be seen riding in Tatra trucks or improvised horse-drawn wagons instead of SdKfz. 251s and Opel Blitzes. 

Let's all blame Hollywood for spawning and perpetuating this ridiculous "fully-motorized Jerries" myth. 

[UserNameNA]

I'm not really sure if this has been suggested yet, ive tried searching for it but can't seem to find any posts about it. I recently just re-installed Brothers in Arms Hell's Highway and there is a mission where you must destroy a halftrack with an 88mm mounted on it and i did a bit of research and appearently this was used in the opening of Operation Barbarossa. Saw a picture of it from 1940s in Russia so it could have been fielded in numbers for it to be a viable addition to the Osteer. But in keeping with the Osteers high mobility focused play they might benefit from having a halftrack mounted with an 88.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

U talk about the "Bunkerknacker" gun - a SdKfz. 8.
When i'm informed right just one company had used
this gun during the first days of operation Barbarossa.
So it is a unique unit but no interesting unit for the Ostheer.

[Blackbishop]

Yeah, that's why I suggested it. 
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

Due to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.   
Horses were the main "transport" for everything. 

Yes they were (horses)... even Waffen-SS divisions such as the Handschar used mule trains etc. to lug their equipment around. I was just commenting on the scarcity of Wehrmacht-issued motorized equipment on the Eastern Front... which were mostly given to recce units, and to "prioritized" divisions such as Panzer Lehr, GD, LSSAH, HJ, and Das Reich  That said, it wasn't unusual either for the landser to be seen riding in Tatra trucks or improvised horse-drawn wagons instead of SdKfz. 251s and Opel Blitzes. 

Let's all blame Hollywood for spawning and perpetuating this ridiculous "fully-motorized Jerries" myth. 

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/blackbishop86/ww2/8c895ad6.jpg
are these soldiers germans?

I have a bad sight .

[maxi1991]

yes they are
see the eagle on the riders chest, K98, Mp40, Pak36 the backpacks, the boots and the uniform style
and the stylish haircuts

[Seeme]

And the damage they have made

[Werwolf]

Yeah, that's why I suggested it. 
The SPW U304(f) was probably used in the east, however it wasn't a common vehicle. But anyway better than using again and again the old stuff.

Problem I can see with it, that it is to unfamiliar to the modding-community and therefore won't be modeled and animated by some talented modder.
Since EF-Team lacks an animator atm, using stuff from others is probably the only way to get all the things needed for the Ostheer.

I wish the DEVs would present their OH-plan to the community, maybe they're lucky and someone makes a animated model for them.
But as long as nobody aside from the DEVs know about the concept, it could be really hard to get all the stuff together.

Due to equipment shortages on the Eastern Front, they used everything that could be used, including civilian vehicles and horse-drawn wagons.

Actually, the great majority of Wehrmacht Divisions weren't motorised, unlike the Allied-Forces.   
Horses were the main "transport" for everything. 

Yes they were (horses)... even Waffen-SS divisions such as the Handschar used mule trains etc. to lug their equipment around. I was just commenting on the scarcity of Wehrmacht-issued motorized equipment on the Eastern Front... which were mostly given to recce units, and to "prioritized" divisions such as Panzer Lehr, GD, LSSAH, HJ, and Das Reich  That said, it wasn't unusual either for the landser to be seen riding in Tatra trucks or improvised horse-drawn wagons instead of SdKfz. 251s and Opel Blitzes. 

Let's all blame Hollywood for spawning and perpetuating this ridiculous "fully-motorized Jerries" myth. 

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x246/blackbishop86/ww2/8c895ad6.jpg
are these soldiers germans?

I have a bad sight .

Yep, seems like a Heer infantry division... must be early-WW2, all of them are still wearing Marchstiefel (jackboots). The architecture of the buildings in the background also suggests that the photo was taken somewhere in France...

On closer inspection, most of the men in the photo aren't as tall as their NCOs in the foreground... so they're either very young or they're foreign volunteers...
Post Merge: October 12, 2010, 11:58:45 PM

yes they are
see the eagle on the riders chest, K98, Mp40, Pak36 the backpacks, the boots and the uniform style
and the stylish haircuts

...plus the field equipment as well (gasmask canisters, canteens, breadbags, bayonets, Zeltbahns, webbing and cartridge pouches, etc.). Allied soldiers generally didn't tend to carry that much equipment. It was common for Wehrmacht enlisted men to own pistols too, unlike their Allied counterparts (pistols weren't only restricted to officers in the Wehrmacht).