Patch 1.03 WHAT HAVE YOU DONE...

[Zebra]

Nice summary.
Ok, then I'll question right to the point.
Is it possible to make soviet AT and mortar re-capturing?
I think that it is normal, in addition all other factions can do so.
It is no sence when, soldiers can't capture their own guns!!

What about that?


Best regards to moders.

[sandzibar]

nope they cant. else COH will crash permanently.

does put ruskies at a massive massive disadvantage though.

relic needs to fix this issue.

[BurroDiablo]

Yeah, re-crewing would definitely be in if it worked... seems retarded to take it out, but it crashes the game hard.

When and if we fix it, it'll be re-implemented... but that could be some time since we need support from Relic.

[Zebra]

Oh!
It is some kind of unfixable bag. I see.....

[luz777]

For one I'm liking 1.3/4 a lot.
Coming very close to a nice balance now I think.

Just a few issues left and some tweaking of info and artwork and I'd be very happy 

[rtil]

i'm sure if enough pressure is put on relic to fix the recrew crash issue they will do something about it. it's because of this mod they experienced record numbers of players. well, that and the steam sale, which had impecable timing if you ask me.. 

[Razz]

You were quite happy to play 1.00 of utter OPness without complaint but as soon as we get the nerf bat out everyone starts crying cause they can't wipe the floor with an opponent...typical...

On another note...yes Soviets are be a bit UP at the moment but this IS a consious decision I've taken. This is because its easier to have a faction that is UP slowly turned into a better balanced faction rather than an OP one slowly turning into a balanced one, hence the hard initial nerfings!

Great!

And I would not uninstall the mod.
I think your strategy for tweaking is what I would do.

It's just really hard right now for you guys to get both sides from spamming infantry. And it's hard to work around the No secure, no retreat, and no re-crew.

I just wish that  German Pak wasn't bugged by Relic.
I'm still gonna play a few more games to see if I can think of anything.

The upgrades on the Soviets are good, it was the nerfing of other areas that I have to deal with for now to see if I can input any advice.

All I can really say is ones experience on different maps are completely different.

For example; you can struggle now on the new patch with EF maps, then go play a well know map from CoH and get some wild results depending upon, size, terrain and especially resources. This is the same map design problems in regular CoH where maps were laid out before the OF and TOV units came along.

I have designed maps and balanced units on other games.


It is very hard to tweak a balance.

You are doing the correct thing. Baby steps. Play,  tweak, play tweak, play.

Oh, by the way ... I still get a freeze from the midi sounds. Doesn't always happen and never occurs in regular CoH. I have the latest drivers. Everything is fine. I haven't seen any other mention of crash or freezes coming from anyone else.

However there was discussion concerning sound.  I posted it in the bug forum.

By they way... we had problem with re-crewing in the past. I believe it was in Sudden Strike. The problem was resolved. I went to the old archives and searched but couldn't find anything.  I wish I could find those thread concerning that problem.

[xenotype]

I have to say that so far 1.04 seems damn near close to perfectly balanced.  My complaint with the /76 was answered with a reduction in cost and pop, making it cheap enough to warrant bringing out.  Only issues with the mod remaining are the increased MP cost of mortars to 437 after upgrading, the highly linear state of soviet teching, the limit on Paras/Rangers, and some minor artwork that needs to be in.  Thanks devs for a very reasonable and successful effort on balance!

edit: MG Dugout could use a reduction in price, because it can't be recrewed its a little unfair to have it be the most expensive MG in the game

[WhiteFlash]

This would fix the teching problem 100%
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=2436.0

[Bauer]

Yeah, re-crewing would definitely be in if it worked... seems retarded to take it out, but it crashes the game hard.

When and if we fix it, it'll be re-implemented... but that could be some time since we need support from Relic.

When it is repaired now it will not stop the Russians  and they overgrown mortars. With this amount of Russian infantry nothing will stop the mortars in the early and mid-game

[Zebra]

Hey Bauer!!
I simply can't understand what are you claiming for?
Don't you even read content?
Even the developer says that they definely fix that bug if COH would be more cooperative.
And all your messages are similar to " if you do that or so soviets will be OP" Oh, wright, they are still OP and will be overpowered with any changes.

Com on man! Stop it. If you want to post, please read some previous posts though developers or testers.

[BurroDiablo]

Yeah, re-crewing would definitely be in if it worked... seems retarded to take it out, but it crashes the game hard.

When and if we fix it, it'll be re-implemented... but that could be some time since we need support from Relic.

When it is repaired now it will not stop the Russians  and they overgrown mortars. With this amount of Russian infantry nothing will stop the mortars in the early and mid-game

Do you ever stop complaining? You won't be happy until you can beat back the Russians with nothing more than a Luger that fires farts.
IF it gets fixed, crews will be moved back down to normal 3 man teams. They can't retreat, they don't have MG's to cover them... just flank them, it's not hard. And after you've killed them, steal the mortar and use it yourself.

I put forward an idea of taking away the Soviet Howitzer and replacing it with a buildable Mortar pit like what the Brits have, but I'm not sure how well this would go down... the mortar would be immobile, but still just as deadly... then we can replace the gap in the Support Barracks with something else unbelievably OP'd like a DShK HMG or a Tyrannosaurus.

[Zebra]

Do you ever stop complaining? You won't be happy until you can beat back the Russians with nothing more than a Luger that fires farts.
IF it gets fixed, crews will be moved back down to normal 3 man teams. They can't retreat, they don't have MG's to cover them... just flank them, it's not hard. And after you've killed them, steal the mortar and use it yourself.

I put forward an idea of taking away the Soviet Howitzer and replacing it with a buildable Mortar pit like what the Brits have, but I'm not sure how well this would go down... the mortar would be immobile, but still just as deadly... then we can replace the gap in the Support Barracks with something else unbelievably OP'd like a DShK HMG or a Tyrannosaurus.

IT IS VERY CORRECT!!!!
And for those who are not tired to complain - READ THIS MINIMUM TWICE!!

Best regards to modders.

[Bauer]

Perhaps this is so that he wants to Russians were very weak. But it is not. The point is that the Russians have a very early gun, capable of mass killing of all infantry units. No other army has no such thing. Germany have MG but Russians can just run past. Buildings do not provide protection, because the Russians could easily destroy them using a command of artillery and heavy mortars. Someone once tried to kill the initial phase of the command squad? The Russians did not even have to go back to the base, they are building to complement the infantry. soon have tanks that are not actually weak. Their snipers shoot from high speed and can call artillery. In the late stage may be anything more, we can have 1 tiger, they can have mass IS-2. PopCap infantry engaged. What can the WH and PE against IS-2 spam? They say that every paks and panther spam, but they have AT guns too. Overall, this is tralala.
Sorry for my opinio but Im only average player stats 1000/800 from normal  COH.
I regret only that I can not talk to you in my language it would be easier and I can not look to it in such a way that he wants to destroy the Russians in this mod.

Thanks that he had done it because I waited for it for years. Do not expect easy victories but only balanced fight to end.

[Bjassie]

Cry some more will you, and stop whining. Like stated a million times before you can flank the mortars easily!
I don't what you are thinking when you see those red flares. But most people run away the arty has a cooldown. you overrun,sniper or flank the mortars. And you can also do a 2 direction attack ever thought of that?

The soviets are no OP stop whining. if you want your axis forces the be invincible go download the invincible axis mod and take your whining with you.

And I wanted to ask the developers if they could tell me if they have any plans about remodeling some soviets units?
For example the Russian AT gun. If yes could they please tell me which units they want to remodel in the near future?