Idea: Foreign Troop Barracks

[Saavedra]

yeah and thats IT! That means that the DEVS would just slap a shiney new star on the Volks give them even worse stats and send them off to the front! I'd rather see some new Romanians in this mod (it's a lot better than just putting a star on the volks)

What the hell are you talking about?

The Spaniards fought on the German side, so no stars. Also, a good part of the Blue Division was formed by veterans of the Spanish Civil War, and most of it was composed of volunteers. In the one large battle I know they fought, they killed three times their number, while outnumbered. So there is no reason whatsoever to give them worse stats than Volks.

Unlike Romanians and maybe Italians, the Spaniards were not cannon fodder.

[ford_prefect]

"So, take Grenadiers and Volks and put some Spanish insignia on them, and you are done."
that was a post you made a few days ago ON THE SAME TOPIC
no I do not believe in this 

[Rokossovski]

When you take them in the other nations must be something new not just an other type of infantry with new skins , they should be some special like Italian alpini , but they must use special abilities maybe some kind if melee infantry.

[Saavedra]

"So, take Grenadiers and Volks and put some Spanish insignia on them, and you are done."
that was a post you made a few days ago ON THE SAME TOPIC
no I do not believe in this

As for the Spaniards, would there be a distinguishing between the Blue Division and the Falangists who made up the Blue Legion?

If you mean a visual distinction, I don´t think so. It seems both units wore Wehrmacht uniforms with a few Spanish-looking patches.

So, take Grenadiers and Volks and put some Spanish insignia on them, and you are done.

So, turns out that you can´t read, and you don´t double-check before putting other people´s words to test. Because if you had, you would notice I am NOT asking for re-skinned Volks with WORSE stats, as you said.

Also, in case you haven´t noticed, Romanians can be added together with the Spaniards. There is no need to compete, so quit saying "oh, I´d rather have X than Y!" That makes you sound like a douchebag, which you probably are given the evidence above.

(And just in case, I´ll repeat that "stars" do not figure within the Spanish Blue Division iconography.)

[WolfDK1984]

Anti-Communist squads should be infiltrators with poor weapons, and grief-causing weapons like flamenades and anti-building grenades.

Italian troops would have fire-up and maybe use satchels.

Finnish troops should be squads of riflemen with crazy accuracy (so you want to use them defensively, which is what they mostly did, and crazily well). Ambush would probably be a must, and giving them the option of upgrading with a LMG42 would be nice.

Spaniards could be a mix of anti-Communists and Fins. Very good at combat, somewhat more difficult to suppress than most other troops in the game, and nice assault options like grenades or suppressing fire. Basically, a squad good at assaulting, the opposite of Fins. Could be upgraded with MP40s.



Basically, a mix of units you can put together according to your taste and needs. Need defensive power? Fins and Spaniards. Wanna try infiltration? Anti-Communists and any of the assault squads (Italians and Spaniards). Assault? Same as before.

Most Weapons used by the Finn's were of Soviet Origin, as they scavanged most of them from the fallen enemy soldiers..

[South3rs]

Great idea!

Hitler didnt like using forein troops, but they had to becuase nearer 1942 they were lacking in manpower.

Also wasnt the Chechs and Hungarians??

Also could the russians get some polish dudes, maybe when osteer are out you could add a new barracks to each faction and say 3 - 4 new units, all varying and forien. as forien troops were used alot!

[Saavedra]

Most Weapons used by the Finn's were of Soviet Origin, as they scavanged most of them from the fallen enemy soldiers..

So, Mausers combined with DPS machineguns instead of with LMG42s?

[Capt. Malashenko]

I love the idea, in fact, making a specialized "foreign" army building would be a nice change and differ from other factions, or giving a building a different unit per doctrine. Definitely Romanians and Croats, and perhaps Finns too, 
I`d love to see Spanish civil war mod, but here in EF it`would be too much to ask of them.

[ford_prefect]

As for the Spaniards, would there be a distinguishing between the Blue Division and the Falangists who made up the Blue Legion?

If you mean a visual distinction, I don´t think so. It seems both units wore Wehrmacht uniforms with a few Spanish-looking patches.

So, take Grenadiers and Volks and put some Spanish insignia on them, and you are done.

"    "So, take Grenadiers and Volks and put some Spanish insignia on them, and you are done."
    that was a post you made a few days ago ON THE SAME TOPIC
    no I do not believe in this
go to page one of this topic you posted that. and by stars I meant that little yellow patch

Post Merge: January 27, 2010, 12:23:52 AMand just because someone does not agree with you about your little Spanish troops does not make them a "douchebag"

PS: you still have not answered my question about when Spain even technically got in the war

[Saavedra]

And THEN you said THIS:

yeah and thats IT! That means that the DEVS would just slap a shiney new star on the Volks give them even worse stats and send them off to the front!

To which I answered with THIS:

The Spaniards fought on the German side, so no stars. Also, a good part of the Blue Division was formed by veterans of the Spanish Civil War, and most of it was composed of volunteers. In the one large battle I know they fought, they killed three times their number, while outnumbered. So there is no reason whatsoever to give them worse stats than Volks.

Are you retarded?

The Spaniards used a pretty similar uniform to the Wehrmacht, which is why I suggested that they keep a uniform similar to the Wehrmacht. Then, you said the devs would give them worse stats, to which I replied that it did not make any sense given their record.

And then you keep insisting that my thinking they should have similar uniforms somehow means I think they should have worse stats. Because you directly use my ideas for VISUAL DISTINCTION to somehow say that I think Spanish troops should have worse stats.

So kindly shut up and LEARN.TO.READ.

[250.Inf. Div.]

ford_prefect is a antispanish troll.

you see worse stats ok,compare this whit another unit in only two years:

2 Knight Crosses (one with Oak Leaves)

2 Golden Crosses

138 Iron Crosses First Class

2,359 Iron Crosses Second Class and

2,216 War Merit Crosses with Swords.

[ford_prefect]

Saacedra judging by your picture your about 8 or 15 so..LOL and also you are a Spaniard. Yes I do think that the Spanish will
1.) use the same uniform as the German Volks (like you even said they would )
2.) have worse stats than MOST German soldiers
(3,000 shiny awards nice out of how many men?)

[Rahvenich]

Saacedra judging by your picture your about 8 or 15 so..LOL and also you are a Spaniard. Yes I do think that the Spanish will
1.) use the same uniform as the German Volks (like you even said they would )
2.) have worse stats than MOST German soldiers
(3,000 shiny awards nice out of how many men?)

Out of about 18,000. That's about 1 award for every 6 men. And you didn't imply they'd have worse stats than MOST German soldiers, you said they'd have worse stats than volksgrenadiers. Nice moving goalposts there.

[Aouch]

I'm with ford.
Just because you can't read, doesn't allow you to call him a douchbag.
I'll explain it for you spaniards:

Spanish soldiers in Eastern Front mod would look like German soldiers.
They'd have the same weaponry.
They'd propably have the same stats and same abilities.

So what's the reason to add them? For medals?
Uhhhh, my grandfather also earned the Eiserne Kreuz II. Klasse and also a sh*tload of badges and other awards.
I WANT MY GRANDFATHER IN EASTERN FRONT!!11!

Seriously, get yourself a skinpack and everybody would be fine.

I still think that a small amount of foreign troops should be added, but they have to add to the Ostheer and not replacing or doubling Germans. Maybe the Italien Alpinis (of course with donkeys!!), the Croats (perhaps as skilled workers/pioneers and also "cannonfooder", like conscripts) and finns (cause they had their own equipment).

Take a look at my concept!

[Saavedra]

I can call him a douchebag because he IS one, and keeps proving it.

Also, no, the Blue Division would not look the same, have the same weaponry and have the same stats and abilities as all the other units. In the first fu**ing page of this topic, I suggested a way of differentiating ALL foreign troops, not just the ones you guys suggested to the exclusion of others.

You can add details to Grenadier squads to make them stand out from their counterparts like blue scarves (that cloth they wear around their neck) or a palette swap for their uniform (make them look dark grey instead of light blue). I suggested they could be armed with MP40s (seen many Grenadiers with MP40s around? ) and have greater suppression resistance while having something similar to BAR suppression (seen many German units with that skill? ).

And I did this not only for the Spaniards, but for all nations mentioned by the OP.

Also, you are forgetting that work on foreign troops hasn´t even started. A lot could be changed, we are just brainstorming, and the chances of Spaniards being put in the mod exactly as I specified are next to zero. Same with the other nations.

By the way, try and justify why the Italians, the Croats and the Finns should be added, but not the Spaniards, or the ROMANIANS (shit, out of all the foreign troops, you forgot the ones who took a beating together with the Germans in the Stalingrad battlezone? ).


Also, the medals thing did not come around as a reason to include them in the mod, it came around as a justification of why they wouldn´t have worse stats than Volks even if we used the same model, reskinned. Nice touch, though, bringing your grandfather and his medals into a discussion about VIDEOGAMES. I´m sure he earned them so you could use him to prove a point here.





Now, to deal with ford:

Stop trolling, you idiot. My avatar, age and nationality have shit all to do with this discussion. As do yours.