Idea: Foreign Troop Barracks

[Aouch]

There were over 3 million Eiserne Kreuze II. Klasse. 
Spanish earned 2.000 of them? And they were over 18.000 men?
In my opinion, that proves nothing.

Also, making the Spanish kind of elite unit, though they were anything but that, does not justify to put them in.

My point is, I wouldn't mind if they were added, but the way you behave, crying for spaniards and insulting everybody who brings valid arguments doesn't prove your point. (In the end, I think you're the troll.)

Fact is they fought with German weaponry.
Fact is they wear nearly the same uniform (you searching for minor indifferences like a fucking small little blue badge does prove it).
Fact is they weren't any elite unit.
Fact is they didn't contribute a huge amount of noticeable "help" to Nazi-Germany.


Also, you can't add douzens of infantry units to the Ostheer.
This means, you have to concentrate on the important units and those who are worth adding.

I´m sure he earned them so you could use him to prove a point here.

What do you mean by this phrase? He's already dead, like the majority of the Wehrmacht and survivors of the Second World War (in any country).
So sorry, he won't call you and tell his story.

[250.Inf. Div.]

Fact is they weren't any elite unit,ummmmmm no you have reason the italians and romanians are elite unit.

[Aouch]

No, but Romanians could be: Cheap Pioneers and cannonfodder (I doubt you'd like it if I suggest Spaniards to take this role) and Italiens have their Alpini, and yep, they actually were kinda elite unit, similiar to German Gebirgsjäger, but they were used in mostly flat regions, so they never were used in their basic role, were they would have certainly succed and done much better.
Also, I never said I want them. I said maybe they could be added.

What you're trying to do with the spaniards:
Making them look like German soldiers.
Making them bear German weaponry.
Making them "elite", so that at least there's one thing which could justify adding them.
This doesn't sound very smart to me.


I'll leave this discussion now, maybe I'll accept Spanish when you come up with real valid points instead of insulting other people.

[Saavedra]

There were over 3 million Eiserne Kreuze II. Klasse. 
Spanish earned 2.000 of them? And they were over 18.000 men?
In my opinion, that proves nothing.

Thank God your opinion is not fact.

Also, making the Spanish kind of elite unit, though they were anything but that, does not justify to put them in.

Uhmmmm... a good number of them were veterans of the Spanish Civil War, and many were volunteers. In their largest engagement, they killed three times their number.

That´s pretty fucking elite.

My point is, I wouldn't mind if they were added, but the way you behave, crying for spaniards and insulting everybody who brings valid arguments doesn't prove your point. (In the end, I think you're the troll.)

I don´t cry for Spaniards. I wouldn´t mind if they weren´t added if the Devs found they couldn´t do it, or had more important things to do, or found other nations more interesting to add.

Ford has brought SHIT points forth for not adding them, and so have you.

Fact is they fought with German weaponry.
Fact is they wear nearly the same uniform (you searching for minor indifferences like a fucking small little blue badge does prove it).

Brainstorming. Are you familiar with this term? It means putting forth early ideas that can be built upon or modified. Guess what this topic is about?

Fact is they weren't any elite unit.

Fact is they performed excellently. Also, if we could only add elite units in this mod, then we would have to add the Waffen SS. I´m sure that would sit well with everyone, hmmmmm?

Fact is they didn't contribute a huge amount of noticeable "help" to Nazi-Germany.

Ok.

First point? Romanians and Italians were shit most of the time, and the Italians in particular STRAINED the Germans´ forces in Europe. They helped as much as a toddler pushing back against something about to crush you helped.

Second point? Only four Sherman Crocodiles EVER, yet you can build them by the dozen. Stickies look more like Saving Private Ryan´s explosive socks, but I doubt the Americans used that often. You can use V1s against enemy troops even though they were used against Great Britain´s home island.

Think carefully about these two points.

Also, you can't add douzens of infantry units to the Ostheer.
This means, you have to concentrate on the important units and those who are worth adding.

In that case, change Italian soldiers for Italian TANKS, use Finns as infiltrators and snipers, Romanians as cannon fodder, Croats for whatever they were supposed to be, and Spaniards for assault/defense troops.

You can make units WORTH adding. BRAINSTORMING.

I´m sure he earned them so you could use him to prove a point here.

What do you mean by this phrase? He's already dead, like the majority of the Wehrmacht and survivors of the Second World War (in any country).
So sorry, he won't call you and tell his story.

The idea with that phrase was that it was DISRESPECTFUL on your part to mention your grandfather to win an INTERNET DISCUSSION ON VIDEOGAMES.

But I guess you don´t have too much reading comprehension.

[Rahvenich]

My point is, I wouldn't mind if they were added, but the way you behave,...

Then don't make it this big of an issue and don't claim you're "with Ford on this" given that he's made it abundantly clear he would mind.

The Blue Division is pretty much a given for an interesting call in unit in an Ostheer design that makes heavy use of foreign troops.

[Laufer.fr]

There were f*cking french too (Division Charlemagne). But only 7000 men.

I think you could make a Doctrine's unit like "Finish Troops", and rewards units to replace it, like Spanish troops, italians troops, french troops...
It wouldn't be too difficult to do, because lots of them weared the German uniform (just need a new texture per country).

(Sorry fo my English)

[ford_prefect]

"Thank God your opinion is not fact."
"Ford has brought SHIT points forth for not adding them, and so have you"
"fucking"
"Romanians and Italians were shit most of the time"
"DISRESPECTFUL" In all caps thought that was rather ironic
If someone swears that much in one posts and mocks everyone on the forum, thinks that this mod is based on "enemy at the gates" and insults someone's grandfather I honestly think he's the troll.

[ThGermanElite]

Hm, I like it Then I dont have to send in my poor German troops into battle, ill just send my French conscripts 

[Laufer.fr]

I think the Germans did it  :

From wikipedia (about the LVF: legion of the French volunteers):
"Fin novembre, les deux premiers bataillons arrivent en Russie. Ils montent en première ligne [...]. Ils sont décimés par les combats et surtout par le froid intense."
trans: "In November, they arrive in Russia, and they are sent to the frontline. They are decimated by battles, and cold."

(sorry for my poor english  )

[Saavedra]

"Thank God your opinion is not fact."
"Ford has brought SHIT points forth for not adding them, and so have you"
"fucking"
"Romanians and Italians were shit most of the time"
"DISRESPECTFUL" In all caps thought that was rather ironic
If someone swears that much in one posts and mocks everyone on the forum, thinks that this mod is based on "enemy at the gates" and insults someone's grandfather I honestly think he's the troll.

At least I don´t take sentences out of context to tergiversate their meaning, like saying that I insult someone´s grandfather after having written the word "DISRESPECTFUL" which, in context, meant that it was disrespectful to use a loved one´s memor (and a condecorated soldier, too) to win an internet discussion about a videogame. Something incredibly trivial.

If you were not SO MIND-BOGGINGLY RETARDED, or a troll of vein-bursting proportions, you would also notice that this mod DOES have huge nods to Enemy at the Gates (like only half a squad of conscripts being armed with rifles or the sniper ace in the Urban Combat doctrine AND THE DOCTRINE´S VERY IMAGE IN THE MENU).

If you had any common sense, you would not talk as if everyone here was stupid. EVERYONE who has seen the movie has noticed these nods.

You would also need to fold reality into itself to make stating the fact that these nods exist into an insult to the mod. Anyone who has played vCoH has noticed that the game has clichés that some people might be offended by, like the hilariously psychopathic/fanatic talk of the German troops. But these clichés give the game a certain charm. It is the same with the mod and these nods.



If it wasn´t because you are outrageously MORONIC, I would agree with you that I´m not being too respectful by swearing so much. But you are a troll of such skill that it is difficult not to fly into a rage.

I mean, either you are the most stupid person I´ve met on the Internet (and I´ve been around for a while), or you are a troll trying to sabotage the mod. In both cases, do us all a favour and go die in a fire.

[William]

This discussion has gotten out of hand, LOCKED

Now, to deal with ford:

Stop trolling