2nd reworked Ostheer by Lord Rommel

[BATTERIES]

It s actaully the best thread ive seen so far

[Rokossovski]

I agree.

[Venoxxis]

Totally amazing Lord Rommel.
To build buildings with a SdKfz. was just what i was thinking about in the concept i wanted to write for my doc's. But you were faster :p - there is no reason why i should create another ostheer concept atm, because you got really on the whole great ideas. And whats also important, you got a great knowlegde over the 2nd ww.

Good work!

Only thing i gotta criticize is that there is no real artillery doctrine yet, i think as the first german faction that the Ostheer DO need something like that. 
I mean a Wespe is cool one and also historical correct, for being often used for example. But playing with it in other mods for example is kinda boring, maybe because of its marder like look. Also, it would just be another 105mm artillary. The Ostheer had greater stuff than that and stuff like this should be used.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Sure; it is "just" the Wespe. I though about weapons like the sFh 18 or bigger but i decide me against this "heavy" weapon because this weapons had to be in a emplacement and i'm an enemy of this emplacements because i will move my weapons when russian arty make "rabbatz" at my frontlines ^^

But i will think about replace the LeFh 18/40 with a sFh 18 emplacement or something like that.

[Aouch]

Nice concept and much better than your first one.

Just two little thoughts:
Pzgrens are better called Sturmtruppen or Stoßtruppen, MP40 + trenches are usually part of an assault unit who "work" without tanks. I think it fits better than "Panzergrenadiere".
Second, why has the Ferdinand/Elefant the "Fear"-ability? The first versions didn't even have a MG to defend itself vs infantry attacks. Ruskies could easily run towards it and plant their charges.
I think the Königstiger is a much more dreadful tank than the Elefant, seeing it from the outlook of an infantry man.
 

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

About the Panzergrenadiers:
Last moths i read a book about the Panzergrenadierdivision "Großdeutschland" and the author ( a soldier of the PzGrenDiv. GD ) use often a very distinctive sentence: ,,Wer gräbt, hat mehr vom Leben!" - ,,Who dig, will live much longer!" and so i think it is quiet good when all german soldiers can dig in because russian artillery wont separate between normal Landsern, Panzergrenadiers or Stoßtruppen

About the Ferdinand:
The Fear-factor is not conditioned by an MG or not. It is the tank! Imagine; you are siting in a trench, artillery around you and then an "earthquake", the noise of screaming steel and see from the level of the ground this hugh, thick, 65t heavy Ferdinand-Monster! I would be afraid and try to run away MG or Not!

And at the moment i'm not sure if i'll put in the Ferdinand ( so without MG ) or the Elefant ( with MG ). Both were used at the eastern front and some Elefant make the way till germany 1945 ( think last Elefant were destroyed near Brandenburg ).

[cephalos]

As far I remember Elefants took part only in battle of Kursk. Then they were sent to Italy.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

No. Thats wrong
Ferdinand were used at the 653. and 654. schwere Heeres-Panzerjägerabteilung. After the battle of Kusrk ( first combat ) both Abteilungen were send back to germany where Ferdinand get his front-MG ( and a number of other modifications ) and the new name ELFEFANT. After this the 653. sHeeresPzJgAbtl. was send at Italy. 654. rested at the eastern front and fight e.g. during the battle of Nikopol ( under the command of Heeresgruppe Süd ).
A few Elefants managed the way back to germany and fight from February 1945 till the end under the command of Heeresgruppe Weichsel or better under command of Heeres-Panzerjäger-Kompanie 614.
Two Elefants fight during the battle of Berlin at the ruins of the Reichshauptstadt.

[machz]

Ah. Okay. Sry. Didnt know this. thought most CoH-gamers know "recon" from reconnaissance and that is the military word for scouting But i'm surprised that google.com doesnt know the word RECON xDDD

So i had a scouting tank -> SdKfz. 231
and a trooptransporter -> SdKfz. 251 

i like the teching system and the veterancy system as well very well done thats a very creative way to go with a faction that could work

question about the teching? so what your saying is you can only choose 1 pool at a time for your units right? that means if you no longer need infantry and fortifications support because he is spamming armor, do you have to tech again for battle tanks? and then if it changes again, tech back to the other pool?

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

YES 

The idea is that the pool should influence your battle style and the enemy's battle style.

At the moment i decided that u have to pay resources when u want to change the pool because when u dont have to pay anything then the pool idea is senseless.
So either u pay resources like manpower, fuel or/and munition or research time.

Without costs or payment the pools are senseless ^^

[imamortician]

nice thread guys. your forgeting a few units that the germans made a lot of use on the east.

The elefant for instance did not fight for very long on the eastern front as it was so heavy with most of them being sent to Italy. The Nashorn would be a much more suitable choice for a german ostheer. It has armour similar to the marder III tank hunter but is equiped with the same 88 from the JagdPanther.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Oo I'm confused!?
I told a few numbers of post before that Elefant fight most time from 1943 till the end at the eastern front.
sHeeresPzJgAbtl. 654. was all the time at the eastern front ( okay; after Kursk they send wave of wave of the Elefants at germany to modified them but the wave was send when the last wave was back at the front ) and fight all the time with Elefants ( okay. They hadnt often the normal strength of 45 Elefants but they HAD Elefants ) and bacause of this and because of the symbolic value i'm FOR the Elefant.

[imamortician]

ah thats a common misconception. They did fight there but they mostly faught against the western allies. I could understand a call in, in the same way the tiger II/ jagdpanther is. its just as a mobile tank hunter the Nashorn was far more common on the Eastern Front.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

No!?
A number around 40 Elefants fight against the western allies and a number around 40 fight against the russians.
Both Units which were equipped with Elefants were
build up by the SAME Kriegsstärkenachweis ( KStN - Unit-organisation-plan )...so the argument: Elefant fight more against western allies is WRONG

Belief me xD All this stuff ( army and military history ) is my hobby xDD

[Aouch]

I'm also for adding the Elefant.
Just like Lord Rommel mentioned, it's a unit with symbolic value.

You can't put every unit/vehicle which fought at the Eastern Front into the Eastern Front mod.
In my opinion, it's exactly the same as for foreign units: Nazi Germany had a lot of allies with them, but you can't put every freaking fucked up country in there. Remember the guy constantly crying for those Spanish who really doesn't differ from "normal" German Grenadiers.