Thank you USSR (A little about history)

[spanishfly]

you needed to wait for 5 years to buy a car

Optimistic point of view if it goes to Poland But who cares about cars! At least we were happy and free thanks to the Soviets!

Cheers!

[Aouch]

 

I'm shocked about the pure mass of soviet propaganda still being in the heads of an unbelievable amount of people, even today.
Is this really Wikipedia.org?   

We're talking about if Europe should be thankful to the USSR. And in my opinion - it should not. Because Soviets did not bring freedom to the eastern Europe - but as you said, they brought a new regime.

Nothing to add.

[UeArtemis]

I'm shocked about the pure mass of soviet propaganda still being in the heads of an unbelievable amount of people, even today.
Is this really Wikipedia.org?   

This is really Wikipedia.org.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Насилие_в_отношении_мирного_населения_Германии_(1945)
I'm shocked about the pure mass of the Cold War and the new post-soviet eastern propaganda being in the heads of an unbelievable amount of people.

The Famine was (although it is not genocide against a particular nation). The Great Purge was. I'm not saying that the USSR was holy/saint, but I deny some exaggerations, that are beneficial to young post-Soviet states, and were beneficial to the West during the Cold War.

[spanishfly]

I'm not saying that the USSR was holy/saint,

Sure - it's just like calling mass murderer a holy person.

I'm shocked about the pure mass of the Cold War and the new post-soviet eastern propaganda being in the heads of an unbelievable amount of people.

I think that that all those people in the mass graves scattered all around the former Soviet Union are shocked as well.

Once again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy%C5%84_massacre

[UeArtemis]

Once again:

Yes, we shot the Polish officers, shot own people, but Communists were not idiots.

And:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn_massacre
We too have suffered in those times.

[spanishfly]

We too have suffered in those times.

I've never said that Ukrainians and Russians did not suffered.
As I said - I respect all victims of the II World War - no matter what was their nationality.

 What we must agree UeArtemis - that Poland, Ukraine, Bielarus and eastern Germany saw the REAL II World War. The things that French or Americans saw was nothing to the cruelty of the war in the eastern Europe.
 
 We were the nations who fought Germans from the very begining of the II World War (many Ukrainians and Belarussians were in the polish army - often as officers).

 In Poland you can still find the effects of the II WW. You can find destroyed buildings in Warsaw:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Uprising_bank_polski.jpg

 You can meet people who saw how Germans were burining down enitre villiges.

[Paciat]

Joseph Stalin Pure Evil
The end of the video is interesting. A map of slave labor camps in USRR.
Post Merge: February 11, 2010, 11:09:59 AM

Who did liberate Gdansk?

Actually Gdańsk WAS a German city. So it's hard to say that it was liberated

Im a Pole.
Gdańsk is a Polish name, Danzig is in German.
Before 1939 it was a free city. Not Polish not German. Before the partition of poland in 1795 it was Polish (Polond didnt exist in 1795-1918). Till 1918 too many germans were living in Gdańsk (and too many Poles to) to make it a territory of 1 country.
Since 1945 when Stalin moved all of Eastern Europes borders ~200km west. Its now considered a Polish city (like most of East Prussia). But Konigsberg (olso Eats Prussia) is now Russian a naval and army base.

[UeArtemis]

Yes, Konigsberg=Kaliningrad was a part of Eastern Prussia.
As far as I know, all borders after the war were made along ethnic lines, except German. East Prussia was donated to Poland.

[Paciat]

Yes, Konigsberg=Kaliningrad was a part of Eastern Prussia.
As far as I know, all borders after the war were made along ethnic lines, except German. East Prussia was donated to Poland.

Where do you think all the Poles that are now living on German land came from?
Allmost half of Poland was donated to Ukraine, Bielorussia, Lithuania - soviet states.

[UeArtemis]

In fact, it were not Polish lands, but territories what were conquered in the Soviet-Polish and Ukrainian-Polish wars.

In the picture are Belarus torn between Polish and Russian.
the map of all UNR. The red lines show parts and borders.

I'm not saying that all territory on the map should be German, but all Prussia is not Polish for me.

As far as I know, after the war was a great migration of nations. For example, all Qirims ("Crimean Tatars") were taken from the Crimea. Germans from Prussia were taken too.

It is good ethnic map. Here you can see real ethnic polish lands.
P.S. I am not an anti-polish fanatic. For example, I do not think that Crimea is an Ukrainian land. Just would be good if countries had borders corresponding ethnic lines.

[Artillerist]

For me, even if not 2 but 20 millions of german females were raped to death by our soldiers in 45 - that was not enough to revenge for all that axis done with my country.

We left germans theyr lifes AFTER ALL THAT THEY DONE WITH US - and they must thank us. SAme as Western Allyes, because we had most of Wehrmacht fighting against us, not them.

[Vio88mm]

Look at the current state of all easter european states that have been under the iron curtain of the USSR.
They r u a bunch of crap shitholes (i live in one of them ) thanks to the USSR..go fu*k yourselves all USSR acolytes . It is people that think like you who made these atrocities.

[spanishfly]

It is good ethnic map. Here you can see real ethnic polish lands.

It's a language map not an ethnic map. And it's a huge difference.

P.S. I am not an anti-polish fanatic. For example, I do not think that Crimea is an Ukrainian land. Just would be good if countries had borders corresponding ethnic lines

As there are no ukrainians there novadays Only Russian fleet...and Russian propaganda.

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You had your vision of polish borders few years ago and it looked like that:

http://www.culls-page.de/WW%20II%20Karten/Second_world_war_europe_1940_map_de.png

That would be perfect, nah?
It's a shame that Soviets and Germans broke their alliance...they were such a nice couple.

Atak Sowiecki 1939 (German and Soviet friends 1939)

[thebomb]

There was no alliance and they certainly weren't "friends". Since the Western powers refused to commit to a real fight against Nazi Germany, Stalin wasn't going to let Hitler take all of Poland and be 100s of KM closer to Soviet borders. It sucks for Poland but they were in the wrong place at the wrong time so to speak.

Some people parade that Nazi-Soviet pact around as if both powers had some sort of hard-on for Poland but in reality neither the Nazis or Soviets really cared about Poland itself, they just wanted a buffer zone while each of them did their thing (Hitler got to focus on France and Stalin got to focus on modernizing his army).

[Artillerist]

That would be perfect, nah?
It's a shame that Soviets and Germans broke their alliance...they were such a nice couple.

Its a shame that Germans and Poles broke that alliance after Poland got a meatloaf from Chechoslovakia. They were such a good couple. BTW Poles asked to Hitler to have military alliance, to attack USSR together.