Thank you USSR (A little about history)

[leo.civil.uefs]

I was playing Men of War: Red Tide, and I saw the registers of Alexander Zorich...

Looks like we in west know only a little or nothing about WW2... I mean... majority of people are too retarded by Hollywood and American/British propaganda.

Most people dont know much about the participation of USSR in WW2... specially in USA (Americans really think they were the winners of WW2 and defeated Hitler,  )

There is some facts that cannot be denied..

85% of the nazi army was defeated in USSR.

The imense majority of the german army was used to exterminate USSR. (Read Mein Kampf, by Hitler). Hitler was obcecated in destroying USSR and kill every people in.

Im not underestimating the participation of British and Americans (That last fought in 2 front at the same time!) in WW2, you also were Heroes but, lets be honest, WW2 was 70% about HItler x Stalin.

America was waching two of his enemies destroying each other.

All that shit about D day... the war was already over in D day, Stalingrad was before D day, Kursk was before D day...

D day has only one objective, prevent the soviets from advancing in europe until Portugal, D day was the first day of cold war.

Ok, thats too much to be discussed and I bet there is a lot of opinios around.

One thing is true, the Soviets Defeated Hitler, I say Soviets and not only Russians because there is a lot of other folks who did a big sacrifice in WW2 (25 million people dead in all USSR)

Lets also not forget the Chinese exterminaiton by the Japaneses (16 million death).

Its a pity that there is all that propaganda trying to dirty the image of the Russian leaders and people.

Today we are about to play a Game mod created by Germans, Americans, British and other people... thats freedom, and today there is freedom because million of Soviets died in the past fighting for this freedom ,they deserve respect.

[luz777]

A lot of what you say is true, however I'm not sure what propaganda you are talking about that dirtys the image of Russian people?

The leaders yes, but then again the Communist regime in the USSR wasn't exactly a shining beacon of humanity. Not the majority of peoples fault, just the bastards who ruled it.

[leo.civil.uefs]

Yes, there is a lot of bad things about communist regimes and all... but there is even more lies about it... Just watch ENEMY AT THE GATES.

Or Rambo 3, or 1 million movies made in USA about the "TERRIBLE Leaders of USSR"... all bullshit.

Stalin is the third more admirated man in Russia (the first one is Putin and the second I dont remember) so... the russians are idiots for admiring he?

Im not trying to start any discussion.

Just thanks, Thank you USSR.

[CommissarGears]

the USSR won those battles because Hitler pulled something like 400,000 of his men. which were mainly in Russia to the western front to watch the Atlantic for the UK and the US.

the USSR could not have won the war by themselves.

the United States could not have won the war by themselves

the United Kingdoms could not have won the war by themselves.

i will not thank the USSR, but i will thank the Russian soldiers and conscripts who fought against the third reich.

And honostly, the idea that the west believes they won the war because of movies is sort of an absurd idea.  If people dont care enough to read up and find the truth about history, let them stay in their ignorance or educate them, but dont rope all those idiots with the people who actually care to know the truth.

[Crowsabove]

There was a lack of quality officers in the USSR bc of the officer purge that stalin so that is less hollywood than you suggest not really propaganda more of stalins fault though its true that (im poor with names so i cannot quote off the top of my head who) there were some very talented officers in command they were spread rather thin and subject to stalins paranoia.

The soviets did do alot of the fighting and deserve plenty of credit in history for their role in ww2 but this post sounds more like you wish to rant about stupid americans than really educate anyone. I can tell you personally that in the stupid US schools they do teach that russia fought and we learn about the numbers killed as well. A better statement about a majority of americans is that they dont give a shit about who did what or why. Most people take more of an interest in information that can be applied. Obviously i take a bit of an interest in it so your generalization of americans is rather offensive as well as ignorant.

Im sure the lack of focus on the USSRs role is most likely an after affect of the cold war in some cases. I'll respect any vet but im not going to pay homage to the dead of a whole country not my own bc they im sure wouldnt

A. care about some guy from another country saying thanks.
B. Have fought for me in any way.
C. For all i really care america could have let the war go on without it. Your country could have lost and we would still have freedom.

[lukefrywalker]

While I in no way support the statement "The Americans won the war" - I've got to say, the Russians were only essential in the war in Europe, without American help the war in the Pacific would have gone much differently.

[spanishfly]

Thank you USSR for bringing the light of freedom to the easter Europe! Thanks for getting rid of nazis from our countries! Thank you uncle Stalin...

Also...

Thanks for helping Hitler invading Poland in 1939.

Thanks for killing 25 000 polish officers in Katyn, Miednoje, Charkov

KATYN film italiano 12 di 12 - unfortunately italian version

Thanks for murdering our musicians, actors, writers and many other in Gulags.

Thanks for the 7 milions deaths of hunger in Ukraine in 1932 - 1933.

Thanks for arresting and killing soldiers of polish Home Army, who helped you to defeat Nazis in Lwow, Vilnius, Warsaw.

Thanks for not aiding polish army during the Warsaw Uprising

Thanks for the years of repressions during the communism in Poland.

Thanks for killing hundreds of polish officers and heroes of the II WW, after you brought us freedom from nazis - 1945 - 1960
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It's kinda sad when, all we can see in video games are the battles of American, British or Soviet armies.

It it sad that nobody remembers that Poles fought on almost all fronts of the II WW. But who cares about:

Polish, Bialorussian,  Poland in 1939 against Germany and the Soviet Union

Polish soldiers who fought in defence of France

Polish soldiers who fought Germans in Norway

Polish soldiers who fought in Tobruk

Polish soldiers who fought in Italy, who remember successful heroic charge of polish soldiers in Monte Cassino

Who remember the no. 303 ("Kościuszko") Polish Fighter Squadron or other 15 squadrons, who fought in defence of Great Britain

Who remember gen. Maczek's tank division in France, he fought from Falaise to Wilhelmshaven.

Who remember polish soldiers who fought alongside with Soviet Union in Lenino, Studzianki, Berlin? Who remember polsih flag at Siegessaule?

I'm not an enemy of russian people. I'm thankfull for their sacrafice during the II World War. Unfortunately for Poland...Soviet Union during II WW was as bad as Nazis.
Also - I don't feel any bad feeling for Russians for that. All nations during their history had some shamefull moments - Poland too...you can ask ukrainians how they felt about us before the II WW.

[Crowsabove]

good point im sure few people remember the fighting in greece and a dozen other obscure fronts or minor countries im not saying they had less of a role just that they tend to be forgotten because they had less to work with.

Wasnt most of those polish soldiers that fought with the soviets pretty much drafted? Just a question bc I remember something to that effect but I dont really know that much about it.

[spanishfly]

After Nazis invaded Russia, some of the officers who were not killed and many Poles from Gulags created the polish army in USSR.

A group of polish soldiers with gen. Anders went through Iran to the Western Armies. The rest fought on the Eastern front.

There are many fronts of II WW which are forgotten - but interesting. As you said - defence of Greece against Italians and Germans.
Defence of Finland against Soviet Union and many, many more...

[RedArmyCCCP]

You are right about American lack of knowledge about what happened during WW2. American people feed off of Hollywood.

If you go to this page you can see statistics for casualties of WW2. As you can see only 400,000 total American and British dead where 25,000,000 total Soviet Union dead.

So yeah, not many Americans know that or give a crap. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ww2_casualties

[luz777]

Yes, there is a lot of bad things about communist regimes and all... but there is even more lies about it... Just watch ENEMY AT THE GATES.

Or Rambo 3, or 1 million movies made in USA about the "TERRIBLE Leaders of USSR"... all bullshit.

Stalin is the third more admirated man in Russia (the first one is Putin and the second I dont remember) so... the russians are idiots for admiring he?

Im not trying to start any discussion.

Just thanks, Thank you USSR.

Just look at what Spanishfly said. If Hitler was voted the 3rd most admired person in German history there would be outrage, especially in Russia. But Stalin, who arguable caused the deaths of more people than Hitler is seen as a Hero of some kind, and he wasn't, just a murderous tyrant. His generals won him the war, but he took the credit.

This isn't meant to offend anyone but I really dont understand the Hitler = Bad, Stalin = Good argument.

But then again I'm not Russian, so clearly don't have the cultural attachment or understand the national significance of certain things that others might.

Cheers

[leo.civil.uefs]

Thank you USSR for bringing the light of freedom to the easter Europe! Thanks for getting rid of nazis from our countries! Thank you uncle Stalin...

Also...

Thanks for helping Hitler invading Poland in 1939.

Thanks for killing 25 000 polish officers in Katyn, Miednoje, Charkov

KATYN film italiano 12 di 12 [nofollow] - unfortunately italian version

Thanks for murdering our musicians, actors, writers and many other in Gulags.

Thanks for the 7 milions deaths of hunger in Ukraine in 1932 - 1933.

Thanks for arresting and killing soldiers of polish Home Army, who helped you to defeat Nazis in Lwow, Vilnius, Warsaw.

Thanks for not aiding polish army during the Warsaw Uprising

Thanks for the years of repressions during the communism in Poland.

Thanks for killing hundreds of polish officers and heroes of the II WW, after you brought us freedom from nazis - 1945 - 1960
----------------------------------------------------------

It's kinda sad when, all we can see in video games are the battles of American, British or Soviet armies.

It it sad that nobody remembers that Poles fought on almost all fronts of the II WW. But who cares about:

Polish, Bialorussian,  Poland in 1939 against Germany and the Soviet Union

Polish soldiers who fought in defence of France

Polish soldiers who fought Germans in Norway

Polish soldiers who fought in Tobruk

Polish soldiers who fought in Italy, who remember successful heroic charge of polish soldiers in Monte Cassino

Who remember the no. 303 ("Kościuszko") Polish Fighter Squadron or other 15 squadrons, who fought in defence of Great Britain

Who remember gen. Maczek's tank division in France, he fought from Falaise to Wilhelmshaven.

Who remember polish soldiers who fought alongside with Soviet Union in Lenino, Studzianki, Berlin? Who remember polsih flag at Siegessaule?

I'm not an enemy of russian people. I'm thankfull for their sacrafice during the II World War. Unfortunately for Poland...Soviet Union during II WW was as bad as Nazis.
Also - I don't feel any bad feeling for Russians for that. All nations during their history had some shamefull moments - Poland too...you can ask ukrainians how they felt about us before the II WW.

Thats true.
Seems like every country have a % of participation in WW2 and the great ones hide the small ones in his shadows.

Poland suffered a lot because was in the middle of the two potencies.

[Aouch]

This isn't meant to offend anyone but I really dont understand the Hitler = Bad, Stalin = Good argument.

That's simply because history is written by the winners.

[leo.civil.uefs]

Looks like the americans are always trying to defend theyselves against offenses. Im not here to offend anyone. I like america and i like his participation in WW2. Except the atomic bomb, pherhaps...

I dont inted to say, Stalin was good. Just as a great leader, not as a great human.

Anyway, its like i said, there is a lot of lies about he.

Hitler killed 25 million people and Stalin more than this? Who the hell stayed in USSR after this two mass murdering?

25 + 25 (or more) = 50

50 million people?

Some russian here can aswer that for us?

[WartyX]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Calculating_the_number_of_victims