Italians

[Seeme]

Its gunna be alot of voice acting...

[HansBlix]

Never thought that anybody could take my suggestion to be serious... impressive.

Anyhuuuuu.... I dont see the sense for including such units besides eye- or mind candy. The regular troops of countries aiding the germans in their campaigns where not really strong or highly specialized in any way. There are some decent Waffen SS units (like the Estonian Panzerjäger of Tannenberg or the Nordland Division, mainly Danes, who fought in Berlin), but it would be random to include one country and not another. And still I rather fight with 1. SS Pnz. Div. LSAAH then with some random non-german SS volunteers... no offense...

I dont see the role of such a non-german unit in the game... as long you dont want to ignore history and create an ubber-heroic albanian mounaineer-squad with airborne-armor and "mule-ability" to be able to cross ridges.... hm... wait a minute... does anyboddy speak albanian?

[HyperSniper999]

Nah, Italian and Spanish are major languages so wouldn't they have their own voices like Russians?

But the reason why I'm against a mixed-nationality unit is because it simply didn't happen. They would not put Frenchmen, Spaniards, Italians and et cetera into one unit.
The only reason why we don't foreign units in the original game is because there just weren't many on the western front, but this mod sn't abut the western front is it? Most foreigners were sent to the east, they need to be depicted somehow, perhaps pick a few of the most major nationalities and bring in a few units with a special barracks. They would have special abillities that German units don't have.
The Italians and Spanish could provide regular infantry support, Hungarians and Romanians have armor. Then there'd be a unit equivalent of Foreign SS which fill the gap between what will be the German SS and regular infantry.

[HansBlix]

No. There's so much german weaponry still not depicted in the game... Italian and spanish infantry support would be pretty weak... maybe a bit better than conscirpts... romanian armor? lol.... what use?

Landser, Gebirgsjäger, Heeres-Sturmpioniere, LSSAH, Totenkopf... are by far more representative of the german eastern Army than some useless foreign support troops. No insult intended.

You cant make italians or spaniards the volks-equivalent within the ostheer... thats just not right from a historical perspective, if standard german infantry d be foreign. So what basically remains is a call-in unit. But this would need special abilites of use. And foreign units where generally pretty weak standard infantry use to fill in the gaps in the huge frontline.

Just give me examples of the use of such support units? Regarding gameplay and history...?

[Aouch]

I thought Lord_Rommel (he's part of the DEV-crew) already mentioned various times, that, if at all, foreign axis states are happen to be part of the Ostheer, they'll have general unit-names and descriptions. Like Northern Volunteers or even Volunteer Squad.
Thus no Spaniards, Finns, Bulgarians or whatever.

[HansBlix]

I thought Lord_Rommel (he's part of the DEV-crew) already mentioned various times, that, if at all, foreign axis states are happen to be part of the Ostheer, they'll have general unit-names and descriptions. Like Northern Volunteers or even Volunteer Squad.
Thus no Spaniards, Finns, Bulgarians or whatever.

Same problem, different name. What use should those be, without completely ignoring history?!

Btw, you'll have to give them voices... how does "Northern" sound? Like norvergian? Or finnish? ...

[SublimeSnugz]

Btw, you'll have to give them voices... how does "Northern" sound? Like norvergian? Or finnish? ...
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Danish, Swedish, Norwegian.

[HyperSniper999]

Well someone proposed awhile ago to use Foreign units kind of like the Red Wave abillity and each time you lose an infantry squad or armor, you get a weaker foreign unit. Maybe if I lose a sniper, I'd get a Finnish one like this guy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4 (Ugly, yet amazing, but the unit probalbly would be weaker). If you lose a regular Wehrmacht squad, you get Blue Division Infantry or something. If you lose a Gebirgsjager squad, you get Italian Alpini Infantry. If you lose a medium tank, you get a Hungarian one. If you lose a Tank Hunker or Assault Gun, you get a Romanian one and etc.

[HansBlix]

Danish, Swedish, Norwegian.

...didnt get my point... was a rethorical question... referring to the fact that the moment they speak a specific language (somehting difficult to avoid) you also could name the respective country...

Well someone proposed awhile ago to use Foreign units kind of like the Red Wave abillity and each time you lose an infantry squad or armor, you get a weaker foreign unit. Maybe if I lose a sniper, I'd get a Finnish one like this guy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4 (Ugly, yet amazing, but the unit probalbly would be weaker). If you lose a regular Wehrmacht squad, you get Blue Division Infantry or something. If you lose a Gebirgsjager squad, you get Italian Alpini Infantry. If you lose a medium tank, you get a Hungarian one. If you lose a Tank Hunker or Assault Gun, you get a Romanian one and etc.

Ok. Thats a very nice idea I admit. But it would cost a lot of work to model and skin a lot of replacement units just for one single ability... and making this a more general feature would change the ratio of german / foreign troops to a historical inaccurate one...

[Seeme]

Just make them speak english with an accent or german or whatever country you are.

OR just make them say a rumbeling noise.

LIke "eebabababa"

I really dont know or care

[HansBlix]

I really dont know or care

This is actually the perfect reason for not saying anything.

[Seeme]

Your right...

[Seeme]

wow

[HyperSniper999]

Danish, Swedish, Norwegian.

...didnt get my point... was a rethorical question... referring to the fact that the moment they speak a specific language (somehting difficult to avoid) you also could name the respective country...

Well someone proposed awhile ago to use Foreign units kind of like the Red Wave abillity and each time you lose an infantry squad or armor, you get a weaker foreign unit. Maybe if I lose a sniper, I'd get a Finnish one like this guy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4 (Ugly, yet amazing, but the unit probalbly would be weaker). If you lose a regular Wehrmacht squad, you get Blue Division Infantry or something. If you lose a Gebirgsjager squad, you get Italian Alpini Infantry. If you lose a medium tank, you get a Hungarian one. If you lose a Tank Hunker or Assault Gun, you get a Romanian one and etc.

Ok. Thats a very nice idea I admit. But it would cost a lot of work to model and skin a lot of replacement units just for one single ability... and making this a more general feature would change the ratio of german / foreign troops to a historical inaccurate one...

Well it's the only somewhat historical and plausible solution. Besides, I think it'll be worth it. The Ostheer should be an Axis, not German faction to make it different to Wehr and PE.

[HansBlix]

I agree that Ostheer should be different to PE and Wehr. But this is not about the looks or the background of a unit, this is archieved with differences in gameplay. PE and Wehr are also both german - but completely different.

Including units with no special purpose, just to have foreign units in the game, would probably have a negative impact on gameplay. Who wants useless or non-historic units in his army? Especially when the soviet part perfectly unites gameplay and history? Not me.

If there is a way to find a sensful use of foreign units - perfect. If not, and so far the ideas I've heard are pretty poor, then I hope the Dev's will resist the shiny temptation and focus on the basics, like they mastefully did with SU: Gameplay and History.