Italians

[BATTERIES]

at least some people have a sense of humor 

[Ryousan]

Well, Its just my humble opinion, but I think is no where near fun making mockery of dead soldiers and war veterans...

[Loupblanc]

 Eh. Same thing as sex orientation, political inclinations,
 'taste'... humor can't please everyone. Nothing can, really.

 It's all relative.

 Disrespectful as it was, I, personally, kinda liked it

 I love morbid humor

[EasyWinHunt3r]

i think that also playing with the italians will be great, maybe you could add them as a light support squad like the luftwaffe troops in Opposing fronts for the PE.

@BATTERIES, dont be stupid the italians fought very bad cos italy wasn't prepared for war, Mussolini also knew that, it's not a fact of being coward.. how would you fight against a tank if you dont have any at weapons or enough equipment..

[Loupblanc]

 Coward, Coward... so easy to use that word.
 
 Italians didn't want the war that Mussolini threw upon them.
 They ON TOP OF THAT didn't have proper equipment. What
 could they do?

 I am TOTALLY in favor of Italians (Any other axis country,
 even) being included. Germans did not fight alone, contrary
 to some beliefs on Axis side, hm?

 Not saying make a PURE Italian faction, though

 Italian faction with German call-ins? OstHeer with Italian
 call-ins? I don't mind.

[Ryousan]

Im for Italians with german call ins, sounds cool. Finns with captured equipmment and german call ins can work to...

[Loupblanc]

 Yea. I think by fan mass alone, Finns SHOULD be in-game
 in some form, somehow
 
 Just not as pure Finn alone, but the idea of a repainted
 T34 for OstHeer is yummy (and easy to do!) enough, no?

[Ryousan]

Hey Luop, Why dont you make your own Ostheer concept? I think you have some cool ideas, you should put them into use.

[Schuultz]

I'm all for Italians. Could provide some interesting gameplay.

Whenever called in, they could open up a new front somewhere on the map and force you to split your resources to pull their arses out of the fire... 

And as soon as you reach the late game, any Italian units on the map switch sides and fight for the Allies. 

[ford_prefect]

Hey Luop, Why dont you make your own Ostheer concept? I think you have some cool ideas, you should put them into use.

burro said he didn't even read most of them (my bad burro you said "you would go into a coma"), and all other devs didn't even respond to my question so....

[WartyX]

The dev who is in charge of faction design reads all the posts regarding the Ostheer.

Unfortunately as the moderator I have to as well, to check for swearies and naughty people.

[EasyWinHunt3r]

mm as far as i concern, the italians sent to russia more than 50.000 men, 1000 pieces of arty, 400 AT, 250 Anti air and 5000+ light vehicles /tanks this was the ARMIR. In russia the italians weren't that bad as for example happened in africa or in greece because Mussolini sent the best of his troops to show Hitler that italy was still capable to fight.

Those troops were composed essentially by Alpini, well trained infantery, that manged several time to push back the russians during the retreat.

the idea of making an italian faction would be great but not realistic, i mean the italians were less then a 1/10 of all the troops deployed to the eastern front. I would prefere a call in squad like partisans for the russian faction. They were a little bit like the british faction (so like ww1 style): preferred to digg in and use artillery and anti tank guns due to insufficient tank production. (The defences of tobruk were build by the italians and took a while before 1st the brits, 2nd the germans with rommel managed to overtake em)

i would like to show you some video i found about the italian army in russia, let me know what you think about it:

-german propaganda:

Italian combat in Russia [nofollow]

-an old but realistic italian film(with also historical clips):

The Italian defeat on the Don River [nofollow]

-an overview of the italian army in all fronts:
Italian Army in Second World War ( Armata Italiana) [nofollow]

[Michael Wittman]

i see a mountain burro in that pick, lol

[Hurson]

Italians should be a call in unit in the game for 1 cp.5 men with poor accuracy curcano rifles but make up for it in abilities and survivability.(Cost 280 mp)

When fired upon they immediatly retreat 75% of the time and 25% of the time they hold position get surrounded and destroyed (encourages troop preservation and intelligent use of positioning)

Have the fastest retreat speed of any unit.

Can use "make espresso" ability for 2 fuel and 1 munition , this allows italian unit to make espresso's which gives boost to surrounding units allowing faster retreat speeds to all other axis infantry for 15 seconds. (again adds realism because in reality every italian soldier was issued an espresso pot , and caffeine boost would allow faster running.)

Cheap.

I think you are being really mean to the Italians... 

Who in the world would pop a cup of expresso in the heat of the battle?

You are putting the Italians in the same box people put the French.. Cowards who can't do anything right.  Shame on you! 

[EasyWinHunt3r]

the french got tricked twice in the same way lol
first world war and second, at least in the first managed to stop the invasion.
what do you all think about my previous post?