Gas

[Ryousan]

I tried my self to find where and how were the chemical weapons used but I didnt have any luck. Most sites talk about Zyclon-B the concentration camp gas but none of them talk about chemicals attacks during War World II

[BurroDiablo]

Apparently, the Axis didn't use Chemical weapons because they were afraid that if they used them, the Allies would retaliate with their own Chemical weapons. They stockpiled them anyway just in case it came to Chemical warfare and they could retaliate by the bucket load.

So Gas? Nuh uh... doesn't sound like it would be very accurate.

That said, I just found out the Germans unleashed a swarm of Malaria carrying Mosquitoes on Allied troops in Italy

[luz777]

Ugh, if anybody wants to go down the whole germ warfare path, have a look at Japans shining example in China 

Whilst were on the subject of different kinds of arty, I always thought Airburst shells would be a cool way of getting rid of infantry.

I'm sure I've seen it done in a mod before, can't find a video of it though. Anybody?

Cheers

[ford_prefect]

"RIP MrScruff - We do this for you, baby!"
thats nice of you man

[BATTERIES]

Apparently the British , expecting ww1 style warfare from the start , had the largest stockpile and deadliest arsenal of chemical weapons.
I think they were only to be used in retaliation to chemical attack , explains why germans feared using their own chem weapons.
Also didnt Hitler almost die in ww1 from british gas? Might explain why he hated the thought of chem warfare or worried about british retaliation.


On an eastern front note , I heard a while ago that tulermia was spread by the soviets in 1941 or 1942 , I remember hearing  they killed a lot of their own troops with it as a result. Someone confirm?

[BurroDiablo]

He got shot too... German soldiers nicknamed him 'Screamer'

As for Tularemia, here's and excerpt from Pravda -

It goes without saying that secret services were conducting scientific researches of so-called “rat weapons.” The USSR used it during WWII against Friedrich von Paulus's army. The Soviet government did not risk to infect fascists with plague or ulcer – they chose tularemia. Rats spread the disease in German troops very quickly. The effect was astonishing: Paulus had to take a break in his offensive on Stalingrad. According to archive documents, about 50 percent of German prisoners, who were taken captive after the battle of Stalingrad, were suffering from classic symptoms of tularemia. Unfortunately, every action leads to a counteraction. The use of infected rats against the Nazi army had an inverse effect too: the disease came over the front line, and infected a lot of Soviet soldiers.

http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/363/14923_tularemia.html

So... Rat weapons for the Soviets? 

[BATTERIES]

ahaha nice , infected rat swarm ability 

[rummy]

Sarin wasn't used by the Axis, they stockpiled it, but never used it. Tabun was made into Arty Shells and Ariel Bombs, but I can't find any info on how much was used. Mustard Gas was used in a few incidents against the Soviets and Poland too.

The only instances i have heard of poison gas being used was by the Germans at the seige of sevastopol, though this was from a single paragraph in one book that had no further details. Though is strange given that Hitler ordered under no circumstances was gas to be used. Towards the end of the war the Americans shipped in tonnes of gas in Italy and the ship carrying it was bombed whilst still docked in harbour (Bari I think). Needless to say the gas spread and killed hundreds, and the US in typical fashion denied all knowledge and said it was the Germans using gas, many decades later however the truth slipped out. Though because of the initial lies, many dont know any better and have read old books saying it was the Germans

[thebomb]

So Gas? Nuh uh... doesn't sound like it would be very accurate.

A far stronger case can be made for Germans using gas than the Soviets using phosphor rounds (which are for some reason in this mod but the rounds themselves were never used in any meaningful way).

[Voop_Bakon]

Chancellor you have no clue what the hell your talking about, so please shut up.

Back on topic, while gas would be interesting, and besides the problem with whether or not if was actually used, we might end up having the same problem that came up with the SS. Dont know who all remembers, but there was a big debate on this forum about whether or not SS should be in the game and if the PE were the SS with some.

Chemical warfare is considered by some (including Hitler apparently) to be a low brow and dirty form of warfare. Personally, for me its just a game, and that was my opinion with the SS as well. Others aren't so easy to accept something like this.

[ford_prefect]

"Chancellor you have no clue what the hell your talking about, so please shut up"
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[Loupblanc]

 I for one think it'd be interesting. I'd love to see soviet
 anti-tank dog packs, though. Especially if they are hard
 to control. Use a soft magnet around 'handlers' and dogs
 having a tendency to run after any nearby tank... be they
 friendly... or enemy Then run handlers back to home, and
 reinforce new dogs? (I know, I know... animations...)
 
 But the gas, well, would be different from the eternal
 mortar, flamestrike, HE strike, anti tank strike... As for
 animations, come on. Mortar Smoke rounds!!! Just color
 them green or something. Just perfect

 Make economy run at 50% for awhile as penalty to make
 cost steep, or something? Like KT/JP.

[SavageWorld]

Chancellor you have no clue what the hell your talking about, so please shut up.

Back on topic, while gas would be interesting, and besides the problem with whether or not if was actually used, we might end up having the same problem that came up with the SS. Dont know who all remembers, but there was a big debate on this forum about whether or not SS should be in the game and if the PE were the SS with some.

Chemical warfare is considered by some (including Hitler apparently) to be a low brow and dirty form of warfare. Personally, for me its just a game, and that was my opinion with the SS as well. Others aren't so easy to accept something like this.

+1

If we decide that it should be in the game, a good way to do it would be as a mortar option insted of smoke shells. Mabey we could even use the same animation.
IT SHOULD NOT BE MADE TO AXIS STAFE. Many people dislike the ability so why would you want to make a copy of it?

[Loupblanc]

 Because axis hate it being used against them, but allies
 hate it's effect (too poor) and would LOVE the axis to have
 it, as they feel it would nerf axis

 And you are not allowed to agree about the smoke mortar
 shells effect as I was the one proposing it, thus voiding the
 value of thus idea