Gas

[Chancellor]

Not sure if it was really used during wartime, but if it was, poison gas should be a good ability for the Ostheer to counter the numerous Russians.

[BurroDiablo]

I like the idea... it was certainly used, off the top of my head I remember hearing Gas was used by the Romanians to kill Partisans. Would make an awesome ability if possible.

[Ryousan]

Well I found out in my research that Germany produced large ammounts of nerve gas but never, used them in neither western nor eastern fronts.

Any way, I think is interesting, dont mind if I use it in my concept?

[Polkovnik_Petr]

The only way that I think it would work is if you gave certain units in an area fire damage while remodeling it to look like gas of some sort.

[Chancellor]

Personally I think it should work like an Axis strafe...the Axis have no real anti-blobbing ability, so maybe the Ostheer's gas should be it to have the faction actually add something to the Axis...PE was a joke.  Hopefully no warning smoke but random results (although still mainly deadly? just like the strafe.

[Ryousan]

mmm perhaps we have an alternate splution, during my research I found out that the gas was delivired via 105mm shells, 250kg and 150mm rockets. The head was loaded with tobun and sabin gas, what if we could use the flare animation of the artillery barrages or the decoy artillery attack of the commandos to create the gas attack?

[ford_prefect]

"the Axis have no real anti-blobbing"
LOL I can name like five off the top of my head
Machine guns
Bunkers
Flack cannons
Butterfly bombs
Arty
and good Infantry something the Allies are short of

[Ryousan]

What is was suggesting was the artillery iniciates a barrage but instead of the explosive shells, warhead filled with sabin gas falls on the enemy.

 

[ford_prefect]

What is was suggesting was the artillery iniciates a barrage but instead of the explosive shells, warhead filled with sabin gas falls on the enemy.

I like it should cost a lot if it is gonna do a lot of pain

[Ryousan]

Almost every Ostheer proposal is inluding the Lefh 18 as a doctrine unit, why not include a"Nerve Gas Barrage" as special ability to the Howitzer for the price of some ammo?

[Chancellor]

To Ford
With the exception of flak cannon, theres nothing on that list that Allies don't have.  In addition, all Axis call in artillery have warning smoke, while USA can call in a random 1 hit kill on your 2 snipers with no warning.  If you are one of those noobs that don't know how to move when you see red smoke, then you shouldn't be talking here.  The PE is a huge joke...the flakwirling is useless...unless you are noob (which at this point I really think you are), don't tell me you actually plan to build one of those things in the middle of the battlefield.  Butterfly mines accomplish nothing that regular mines can't.

[ford_prefect]

ok here are some more
1.) hummel (that mofo packs a giant punch!)
2.) I dont know about you but I put my buterfly bombs on the map before they come loup has seen me do this)
3.) stuka arty
4.) stuka arty on halftrack
5.) stuka arty on hotchkiss (wait none of that arty has smoke!  that does not go with your reasoning  strange)

[Chancellor]

Flakwirling / MG crews can be sniped, hummels/stukas can be hunted down, and any player worth his salt will upgrade a pio/engie with a mine detector after he runs into a mine.  And ofc you plant the mines b4 they come...that wasn't my point about the butterflies.  If you ask me they are even worse than regular mines.  If I run into the first butterfly mine (which does very very little damage) once I just back off until I can use a vehicle to run the rest over (unlike regular mines, they don't even do engine damage) or mine detect the rest.  And besides...PE shouldn't even be considered a relevant faction.  The point is, all of Wehr's so-called anti-infantry elements have a hard counter.  The AB strafe is almost unstoppable, unless you happen to go defensive, and just happen to have the cp to build 88s and the 88 just happens to get a lucky shot off, and the plane just happens not to have unleashed its load yet.

Edit: Stukas, Hummels, Nebels also make a sound when they fire.  A decent player will move.

[ford_prefect]

"PE shouldn't even be considered a relevant faction"
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I would choose PE over Wher. ANY DAY why are they not a relevant faction were talking about the axis the PE have the best infantry in the game I took out 2 American Rifle squads with those beast. ok yeah EVERY THING can be hunted down in this game so you can't say that.
Post Merge: January 04, 2010, 05:42:36 AMhave you ever ran 5 squads of US rifle men into a butterfly mine fied I would say 3 squads will make it through and if you have falsh at the other end their dead
Post Merge: January 04, 2010, 05:55:27 AM"Edit: Stukas, Hummels, Nebels also make a sound when they fire.  A decent player will move."
right cause they know where the stuka is gonna land

[BurroDiablo]

Sarin wasn't used by the Axis, they stockpiled it, but never used it. Tabun was made into Arty Shells and Ariel Bombs, but I can't find any info on how much was used. Mustard Gas was used in a few incidents against the Soviets and Poland too.