Why is everone talking about ostheer?????

[ford_prefect]

I would like to say that I would like to see the red army be finished before people actually start talking about adding another German faction. I mean does it make sense for them to finish what they started??

[nbeerbower]

You do realize they're nearly completed the Red Army? Plus, almost everything is set in stone now for the Red Army (everything in the guide: units, doctrines, etc)... the Ostheer is just being considered.

[UeArtemis]

The developers believe that the Red Army is completed.
People are left to discuss about the Germans.

[vengefulnoob]

Not everything is set in stone. The devs themselves have said that not all values will be ready until playtesting is over

[WartyX]

Nothing is still set in stone.

Between now and the public release, I can see several things which may be overhauled.

[fannypack]

You guys have done a great job at keeping the artwork true to the original artwork. It's amazing how much it looks like it was created by Relic themselves.

But I do have a question, should the Doctrine banners be blurred in the background? I've noticed most Doctrine banners already in the game are.

[nbeerbower]

By "set in stone", I mean the units and what not are generally not going to change a whole lot. Of course the values are still very subject to change.

[WartyX]

But I do have a question, should the Doctrine banners be blurred in the background? I've noticed most Doctrine banners already in the game are.

I may add the depth in future, but there are currently more pressing matters.

[fannypack]

I understand completely. Just helping you to polish up what is already looking like an official expansion.

[ford_prefect]

Nothing is still set in stone.

Between now and the public release, I can see several things which may be overhauled.

Ok so are you going to try to not do a campaign until you have an ostheer country out?

[Chancellor]

I know this has already been mentioned by me, but please, for the love of god, be aware of the balance issues!  By this, I'm talking about balance testing with decent CoH gamers (level 8+ RANKED 1v1), not some skirmish or basic match noobs...  I'm eagerly awaiting this mod, but if its unbalanced with vCoH, its a waste, IMO, and for some unknown perverse reason, I have a bad feeling its gonna end up with an OP USSR...  If really needed, I can offer to test myself too...

[fannypack]

That's a pretty good point. You need some high level players to put it through I'd say atleast a few weeks worth of constant matches to test it out.

[ford_prefect]

I know this has already been mentioned by me, but please, for the love of god, be aware of the balance issues!  By this, I'm talking about balance testing with decent CoH gamers (level 8+ RANKED 1v1), not some skirmish or basic match noobs...  I'm eagerly awaiting this mod, but if its unbalanced with vCoH, its a waste, IMO, and for some unknown perverse reason, I have a bad feeling its gonna end up with an OP USSR...  If really needed, I can offer to test myself too...

They have been making this for four years -_-. I think it's gonna bee rather hard for Russia to just pown. If that would be true than well........................... They haven't been doing anything for FOUR bloody years lad!!!!
I just think your trying to become a tester and be able to play the game early

[Chancellor]

@ Ford, no.  The reason why I offered is because I don't wanna be one of those folks that only complain about this and that w/o actually contributing anything.  I'm just worried about the quality of the testers.  Seems to me mod testers are usually skirmish or basic match noobs, and if you really think that theres gonna be enthusiastic testers out there that will be willing to play USA or British as the Allies while their other teammate plays the USSR, I think you're probably wrong.  We'll probably see everyone on the Allies play as USSR during the testing, and when it comes out and the the USSR turns out to be OP with Anglo faction help, gg...

There are some pressing questions like:
Early game USSR in the face of Wehr 1mg + 6 bikespam
PE in the face of multiple IS-2
Brit + USSR in 2v2 team where Brit feeds IS-2 resources to USSR
Guards being unsuppressable (From what I've read, its not just like Vet2+ Knights Cross...they can NEVER be suppressed)
USSR in the face of vet3 piospam
Volks vs 2x conscripts...(I'm assuming conscripts build faster)
3-man pgren squad vs conscript squad with no upkeep
USSR artillery...(Their tanks already seem much better than British ones...you'd expect that at least their artillery is inferior, but they get a Callipope-like unit and also a 25 pounder-like unit too...)
USSR 4-man mortar that can sh1t out an arty shell.
PE vehicles in the face of USSR AT teams
British roos buttoning a German tank as the Russian ones pound away at it...

Not to mention a lot of folks out there want even more types of USSR tanks added to the already large list.

[ford_prefect]

@ Ford, no.  The reason why I offered is because I don't wanna be one of those folks that only complain about this and that w/o actually contributing anything.  I'm just worried about the quality of the testers.  Seems to me mod testers are usually skirmish or basic match noobs, and if you really think that theres gonna be enthusiastic testers out there that will be willing to play USA or British as the Allies while their other teammate plays the USSR, I think you're probably wrong.  We'll probably see everyone on the Allies play as USSR during the testing, and when it comes out and the the USSR turns out to be OP with Anglo faction help, gg...

There are some pressing questions like:
Early game USSR in the face of Wehr 1mg + 6 bikespam
PE in the face of multiple IS-2
Brit + USSR in 2v2 team where Brit feeds IS-2 resources to USSR
Guards being unsuppressable (From what I've read, its not just like Vet2+ Knights Cross...they can NEVER be suppressed)
USSR in the face of vet3 piospam
Volks vs 2x conscripts...(I'm assuming conscripts build faster)
3-man pgren squad vs conscript squad with no upkeep
USSR artillery...(Their tanks already seem much better than British ones...you'd expect that at least their artillery is inferior, but they get a Callipope-like unit and also a 25 pounder-like unit too...)
USSR 4-man mortar that can sh1t out an arty shell.
PE vehicles in the face of USSR AT teams
British roos buttoning a German tank as the Russian ones pound away at it...

Not to mention a lot of folks out there want even more types of USSR tanks added to the already large list.

Several of the things you said are assumptions and with FOUR years of testing I think there gonna make it possible for EVERY one to play as Russia while other people play as England, USA, PE, and WHER.  At the same time.



It doesn't take a genius to figure out that some of the testers wont play as Russia in there first testings