The Importance of the Eastern Front.

[Bonte]

i heard on the history channel that hitler had a abomb prototype but rejected its funding....also the US took the AMERIKA BOMBER and finished it with a few modifications to make the stealth bomber...

but then u think deeper...what if germany had won WWII? one nation ruling the world...wouldnt that eliminate most of todays problems?...the look at the downside...would technology grind to a halt with the end of war?

to me WWII was the last time where one nation could rule the world...i mean now ...if u even tried ud get nuked until everyone was dead

[ConquestSavior]

Most exact information on the German atomic program is classified until 2045.  There are eye witness reports from sources trusted by the U.S. military that a 1 kiloton bomb was tested late in the war, and many documents of radiation poisoning from a dirty bomb test.

Several designs in the Amerika bomber program were flying wings, but we did not turn them into the stealth bomber.

There are several arguments of what would have happened if Germany had won.  If they had won WWI there would be no WWII.  If they had won either war we would probably have the current European Union with Germany dominating it, but many years earlier.  That is, if by winning WWII they had never attacked russia and forced Britian and her allies to sue for peace.  This would have been entirely possible if different actions were taken at Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain, and the early campaigns in Africa.  But these outcomes would only have happened if Hitler was removed from power, as he was a madman who would never back down and never agree to peace.  Most German generals believed that there would be peace after the fall of France, but the mistakes made afterwards and the invasion of Russia prevented it.  There is also the contended point that Russia would have attacked Germany no matter what.  There is ample evidence that the enormous German gains at the opening of Barbarossa were a direct result of attacking on the eve of a Russian invasion of Germany.  Russian troops were caught out of position while readying their own invasion and taken by surprise.  There is supposedly a large amount of evidence in the form of orders and communications records that support this.

[Dominic 'Dragon' Cassidy]

If the Russians had lost, Germany would have gone through Asia, probably attacked there other ally, and then, good bye main land Euroasia, only America and Britain, and Africa left.
Today though, we might have peace, though it is likely there would still be people for fighting for independence from the 3rd Reich or whatever the world would be.

[UeArtemis]

If USSR had lost, then the Third Reich spread from Spain to Ural. only America left, not Great Britain

[Lone Commissar]

Would you really be able to police and control such a large area? I think a regime like that would collapse from the sheer size and likely bureaucracy of it.

[Dominic 'Dragon' Cassidy]

All Empires not matter how strong or big, always fall, whether its after months, years, or even longer. The Reich would not be an exception.

[Panzermann]

Most exact information on the German atomic program is classified until 2045.  There are eye witness reports from sources trusted by the U.S. military that a 1 kiloton bomb was tested late in the war, and many documents of radiation poisoning from a dirty bomb test.

Now, I have to ask why would those "files" be locked until 2045?
After all America's own Manhattan Project & others have been declassified for decades.

I'd also like to see some sources, particularly with those dealing specifically with "Radiation Poisoning from a Dirty Bomb test", coincidentally a "Dirty Bomb" or "Radiological Dispersal Device" can not be considered the same as an "Atomic Bomb", it's use is marginal & relies on mass hysteria for effect rather than Lethal Radiation Poisoning.

There is also the contended point that Russia would have attacked Germany no matter what.  There is ample evidence that the enormous German gains at the opening of Barbarossa were a direct result of attacking on the eve of a Russian invasion of Germany.  Russian troops were caught out of position while readying their own invasion and taken by surprise.  There is supposedly a large amount of evidence in the form of orders and communications records that support this.

Quite correct, you can see the advanced planning stages, including the "War Games" held by the inner most circle of the Soviet Government (in Russian)
http://militera.lib.ru/docs/index.html [nofollow]


Some stories are true that never happened.
Some events do take place but are not true; others are, although they never occurred.
 ~ Elie Wiesel ~ Author of "Night" A Holocaust Survivors tale

Nazi use of atomic weapons to kill Jews at Auschwitz

Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal. Nuremberg: IMT, 1947.

21 Jun. 46

"Mr. Justice Jackson:
    And certain experiments were also conducted and certain researches conducted in atomic energy, were they not?
"[Albert] Speer:
    We had not got as far as that, unfortunately, because the finest experts we had in atomic research had emigrated to America ...
"Mr. Justice Jackson:
    Now, I have certain information, which was placed in my hands, of an experiment which was carried out near Auschwitz. The purpose of the experiment was to find a quick and complete way of destroying people without the delay and trouble of shooting and gassing and burning, as it had been carried out, and this is the experiment, as I am advised. A village, a small village, was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace ..."

If you believe that, you'll believe anything!

Let's keep it real ay!

[palm]

Haha guys. Germany would have been attacked by Stalin if they hadn't attacked. Doesn't that go whiteout saying? Two extremist superpowers so close to each other.

[Soviet_Marine]

Maybe, but surely not in 1941 and not in 1942. Coz of re-arming and reforming of army and navy.
But, i think if USSR had attacked Germany, Germany would have no chance, coz, as u know, german tanks(for example) have been "upgraded" only after meeting with KV and t-34.

And whole world would tell USSR "Thanks" for it.

[major_roadworks]

ya well... the death toll of nagasaki and hiroshima put together was still less the the death toll of the average US b17 carpet bombing raid, which was over the 100.000 mark
(this might seem irrelevant right now, i was talking about something mentioned earlier in the topic.)

[TheAllMihtyOne]

well about the atomic bombs in the pasific they wasent the most destructive raids on japan i have sources (discovery channel ) i herd from that the USA bombed Tokyo (<- capital of japan or whatever) with fire bombs and cuse of that evrything was made of wood the whole city burned to the ground, and the boddy-count was much higher then with the atomic bombs (meybe not when both are counted together but with just one of them) i hav eno exact source and it was a while ago i heard it but atleast i hope you get the picture.

[vengefulnoob]

And whole world would tell USSR "thanks" for it.

Well... Not really: Churchill was a very strong anti-bolshevik, and (if he was prime minister, he would probably have continued to isolate Russia, calling its attack on Germany as an example of the terrible takeover of a great nation by communism

Another idea: what if the allied had lost the D-Day landings? Would Russia have eventually swept through Fortress Europe?

[Dominic 'Dragon' Cassidy]

Well Russia owns. Whatever happens, they win, simple.

[Lone Commissar]

That is true to a certain extent but they didn't win in the Crimea against Britain and France.

[palm]

Well Russia owns. Whatever happens, they win, simple.

That's ridiculous and quite worrying for the mod that you say so.