USSR Damage and model of damage

[Bulvaik]

Hi guys,
found out next problems:
Damage
1) T34/76 have more less/normal efficiency (damage under a question);
2) T34/85 having a 85mm gun, efficiency of tank is uttery low (cant kill even Pz4);
3) KV2 have more/less normal efficiency (damage and presence of heavy machine-gununder under a question);
4) IS2 having a 122mm gun, efficiency of tank is uttery low (cant kill even Pz4б I would say even, quite wretched efficiency);
5) IS3 having a 122mm gun and why its replace ISU152, have tank replace antitank, efficiency of tank is uttery low (I would say even, quite wretched efficiency);
6) Tank Hunters with PTRD rifels (I would say even, quite wretched efficiency).

Model of damage
1) IS2/IS3 have durable armour and even higher whan Tiger (but receive normal damage from Pz4)
later I will give more detailed information on balance.
thanks

[neosdark]

Oh Google Translate, what hast thou done to mine English tongue

[Bulvaik]

humour, you are very original, exuded between grey mass, in fact you such one.
back to the theme, I can specify every point, if it not clear.

[Sapp_CZ]

I am inclined to agree with first post, even though only at point 4 and 6. Considering that matter of point 4 is already confirmed as bug, and i already explained myself (whined, if you want to put it that way) in another topic, i shall say no more to this matter, unless asked.

[Bulvaik]

just finished to test a technique.
Results:
1) T34/75 vs Pz4 (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - T34/76loses every fight, at the and of fight Pz4 have 30-35% HP;
2) T34/85 vs Pz4 (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - T34/85 win, at the and of fight T34/85 have 40-45% HP;
3) T34/85 vs Panther (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - T34/85 loses every fight, at the and of fight panther have 40-50% HP (mb even more);
4) IS2 vs Panther (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - IS2 loses every fight, at the and of fight Panther have 80-90% HP;
5) IS2 vs Tiger (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - IS2 loses every fight, at the and of fight Tiger have 80-90% HP;
6) IS3 vs Panther\Tiger (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - IS2 loses every fight, at the and of fight Panther\Tiger have 60-70% HP;
7) SU85 vs Pz4 (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - SU85 win, at the and of fight SU85 have 20-30% HP;
SU85 vs other tanks (both tanks have 3 lvl of veterancy) - SU85 not effective, there is not a necessity in description.

[Dann88]

Try ISU-152 against Axis tanks

[SC]

just finished to test a technique.

The T-34s in the game aren't very durable, and head on will lose to a Panzer IV almost every time just because of their weaker armor. You would use these to flank the enemy tanks because of their superior speed, and hit the Panzer's side or rear armor.

And it is true, the IS-2 is completely broken. But that's a bug, not intentional.

And yes, try the ISU-152.

[Bulvaik]

 in a course how to play, simply bring facts that with balance problem, and in reality T34 was not weaker then Pz4, not speaking about T34/85.
IS2 broken, i know it, IS2 with 122mm gun was created in a counterbalance 88 millimetric gun, wich use Tigrs, King tigers and Flak88 (but Tigers have battle efficiency due to the systems of aiming).
I gues its must be on the same level as Panther and Tiger.
I dont speak about IS3, IS3 did not participate in battle actions., he only had passed wave on Berlin on a parade (but still, hi must be on the same level as King Tiger).
About SU85, low damage, its antitank.
ISU152, oh =)
In reality, hit from such caliber to that Tigr, simply destroyed him to foundation.

[Dreamerbg]

This mod is not about the reality. To balance the game you must forget about the reality.
In reality 1 tank can destroy another with 1 single shot wich is impossible in the game

T34/76 role is not to fight against enemy tanks, but to support the infantry. But if  it need to fight other tank it must use its speed. Once I kill a KT with this tank, but only because it wasnt supported.

+ T34 series must be used in numbers - 2-3 then they are really efective.
And in reality as far as I know T34 wasnt better than PzIV  but most numbers do their work

In game think like that - 76mm gun is good against Wehr T3 ,but against T4 you need 85mm upgrade.

 

[Bulvaik]

I agree, in game every tank have its purpos, a guess T34/76 must be support tank and fight against infantry and light technique.
T34/85 vs other tanks, like Panther.
IS2 must be like Tiger.
IS3 like King Tiger.
approximately so.
SU85 need to increase damage.

[Blackbishop]

T34/85 to be like a Panther? Against what tanks? This unit is fine as it AFAIK.

IS2 is meant to fight vehicles(specially Panthers), not infantry units so it won't be an all-rounder of whatever is called. No "Tiger" role to it.

IS3 is meant to be more like the Tiger Ace rather than KT.

[Bulvaik]

T34/85 to be like a Panther? Against what tanks? This unit is fine as it AFAIK. - OK
IS2 is meant to fight vehicles(specially Panthers), not infantry units so it won't be an all-rounder of whatever is called. No "Tiger" role to it. - OK
IS3 is meant to be more like the Tiger Ace rather than KT. - very strange decision, then it is necessary to enable causes him as well as tiger.
And what about antitank vehicles?
What about KV1 and KV2?

[Blackbishop]

KV1 is just a T34 with lower speed and more armour, so it should have the same weapon features stat-wise.

About KV2, I'll look at it. Same for SU85.

[Dreamerbg]

Didnt tried KV2 against tanks but it is suposed to be an AI tank or AB , like Churchil AVRE

[Bulvaik]

KV1 is just a T34 with lower speed and more armour, so it should have the same weapon features stat-wise.

About KV2, I'll look at it. Same for SU85.

So KV1 must be infantry support tank and must be effective against an light technique and infantry.
KV2 and SU122 support technique too, mb add KV2 a machine gun?