Soviet is Overpowered

[Otto Halfhand]

@ The Furher: AN EXCELLENT FIRST POST!

Now, for the suggestions... I agree with Killar and in fact at some point in the EF team some Devs proposed something along these suggestions:

IS-2 will be replaced with KV-85 not as a reward unit
IS-3 will be replaced with IS-2 not as a reward unit
Remove the Assault Gear Upgrade
Remove the SU-76

But at the end were denied. Now if Balancers find than some of those suggestions(the ones of the OP) would help EF, we could test them in our internal version and if they don't work we can just roll back everything.

The DevTeam was correct to reject these suggestions.

I agree with none of it. The only reason to change anything would be on historical grounds for IS-2 and 3,

I aggree with this as well.

Lets be honest. Almost everyone goes BT. Not always but for the most part yes. IS3>KT more often than not. IS3>Tiger so blitz becomes alot less powerful, especially with the SU-85 which rips apart StuHs and does surprisingly well vs infantry. IS3 can soak up a relatively good number of 88 shots and still keep ticking. Not to mention you get Airstrikes which do multiple runs with strafes AND bombing runs. And mechanics and T-34 riders which only add to this. Its like if u have no idea what to do BT always works out.

Sharkey this is a lot of malarkyey. IS3 and airstrikes are "late game". CT_0 -Propaganda and CT_1 -Urban give players the opportunity to end the game in the late "mid-game" time frame.

IL-2 has been changed again to something quite spectacular. Maybe we can post a video of this. It fixes the issue of the rocket run not really hitting targets and often not even firing off.

@MBJrP36
Those pilots were executed and we got new ones .

If the IL-2 airstrike is supposed to be effective against armor I agree with the NKVD decision to execute the pilots. I have found IL-2 Are adequate at anti_infantry work and  Lt_vehicles. Woe to the PE player who doesn't have Wirbels or a pair of ACs handy. This raises the question of wether T90s will be sufficient to deal with OH airstrikes.

[Killar]

IL2 will be just like it is now but the anti tank ability will change.
Actually the new IL2 is very old by now.

[Pac-Fish]

Sharkey this is a lot of malarkyey. IS3 and airstrikes are "late game". CT_0 -Propaganda and CT_1 -Urban give players the opportunity to end the game in the late "mid-game" time frame.

Maybe I can understand Propaganda but Urban IMO lacks power. And the IS-3 can come around mid-late game. And until that comes u can just get SU-85s which tear apart G wagens, StuGs, or Marders. The airstrikes dont seem to be a problem for everyone so maybe thats just me. IDK how many games vs players u play but a HUGE majority of them get BT and occasionally Prop. Only once have I seen Urban and thats cause me and a friend were testing 1.6 out.

[Otto Halfhand]

To tell the truth Urban is my favorite. I like BT too. Propaganda only needs the damn OBR dealt with. I tell you one way BT and Urban are IMBA though. 750mp for a Tankrider is cheap. 750 mp for Sniper ace is OK. 500mp for an IS3 when the SU122 costs 600mp. NiKulturni. 700 fot a JagdPZIV is too high as well IMO.

[Killar]

What is the problem about the OBR?

[Pac-Fish]

NiKulturni.

No idea what this means.

700 fot a JagdPZIV is too high as well IMO.

Hetzer IIRC is either 650 or 600. And Jagd is more AT. But I guess u r right in that the price difference is kinda weird. Both of them act a bit diff but not enormously different to the point where one outperforms the other and must have its price raised.

[Killar]

IS3 has a fuel drain.

[Pac-Fish]

IS3 has a fuel drain.

How much is it

[Jeff 'Robotnik' W.]

IS3 is fine. I did run some tests before, and a vet 3 IS 3 will lose to a vet3 offensive vet jagdpanther, and looses to a king tiger.

I wish i documented the tests, but all in all the IS3 is fine compared to the other tanks

[Otto Halfhand]

NiKulturni: Russian or Ukrainian? for culturless or crass.

I like IS# just fine. Good idea Red Guard had. Problem is I like the Beatkiller too.

[Killar]

IS3 is fine. I did run some tests before, and a vet 3 IS 3 will lose to a vet3 offensive vet jagdpanther, and looses to a king tiger.

I wish i documented the tests, but all in all the IS3 is fine compared to the other tanks

IS3 is OP currently

[Otto Halfhand]

If IS3 is OP as well it might be, why not increase the cost. IIRC it first appeared at 900mp and now it is 500mp. IS2 is 630mp at 135Fl IIRC

[Pac-Fish]

Simply Increasing the cost is not a very good solution to fixing balance. IIRC there was an arguement once where a doc ability was too powerful and someone made it one CP more but it didnt fix it. Its like taking the old jagdtiger(which IIRC is more powerful than the current jagdtiger) and replacing it with the jagdpanther and simply tacking on 100 more mp. It still makes it OP none the less. PAying 100 more mp(oe w/e cost) is not going to solve an awful much

IS3 is fine. I did run some tests before, and a vet 3 IS 3 will lose to a vet3 offensive vet jagdpanther, and looses to a king tiger.

Yeah but IS-3 will usually be supported by IS-2 which IMO is alot stronger than panther

[Otto Halfhand]

Fish changing the cost, the cap, (one in this case), or the CP cost are all effective if not all inclusive balancing tools. Remember there are four resources in game. modifying any of the resources does effect balance. BTW the fourth resource is the most important, time.

[Pac-Fish]

Simply slapping on 100 extra mp or so isnt going to fix the problem efficiently. The unit itself is still OP. You just had to pay slightly more. And mp is vital yes but an extra 100-200 can be gained in a single minute. Not a huge deterrent. Its not like ppl will be like "OMG IS-3 now cost 600 mp (or 6 CP)?!?! No way Im getting this anymore! So UP"

changing the cost, the cap, (one in this case), or the CP cost are all effective if not all inclusive balancing tools.

Not to sound mean but can u name an instance where this has actually worked and is solidly implemented atm. I dont read through changelogs much so I could be wrong but AFAIK this concept hasn't been implemented. Well I think conscripts used to cost less IIRC. Possibly the SU-122 and NI too but I dont use those too often so IDK for sure. Those are the only units I can think of where the cost has increased.