Soviet is Overpowered

[The Fuhrer]

Can you please change/remove the following soviet units or buildings?
IS-2 will be replaced with KV-85 not as a reward unit
IS-3 will be replaced with IS-2 not as a reward unit
Remove the Artillery Fire Base
Make the T-34/85 replace the T-34/76
T-70 and T-90 will be replace with an Armored Car with a upgradable main gun and not as a reward unit
Remove the SU-76
Outpost will be replace with Observation Post
Remove the Extra Damage in ZIS-2's Dig In ability
Remove the Precision Artillery Ability in Sharpshooter but not in Sniper Ace
KV-2 will be replaced with SU-122 not as a reward unit
Remove the Ballistics Veteran Upgrade
Remove the Gunnery Veteran Upgrade but Dig In can be used without the upgrade
Remove the Assault Gear Upgrade
Remove the DP-28 LMG in Shock Guard Upgrade

thank you.

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

and what should be the reason?

just by posting to remove this and this (at least without a reason and without replays) i can tell you no we wont remove/change this!

[The Fuhrer]

Look at the title

[neosdark]

Well that's a great title, but how are they overpowered? You have to present lively and debatable reasons not just say:
Hi I just met you and this is crazy, but I don't like these units, so kill them, maybe?

I personally like my Soviets just the way they are (except maybe vs. PE).

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

look what i have said

without backup of replays definetly no!

next woutl be to know if you play vs players or against comp



but in the end there is to say that a awesoem group of high skilled players balanced the current soviets
so its pretty hard to believe that all this stuff is "broken"



edit:
it is like neosdark said
only the balance against pe is atm not 100% but will be improoved in the next patch

[Pac-Fish]

Look at the title

You need justification. For example: "Guards are too OP and should be changed because they absolutely destroy PG even when the PG are in green cover and there are 2 squads of them"

Hi I just met you and this is crazy, but I don't like these units, so kill them, maybe?

LOL neosdark that song is everywhere these days

[Killar]

At least let him explain why its op and has to be changed. Maybe he is currently writing his explanations. All you guys doing is making fun of him thats uncool.

At least these things make sense:

IS-2 will be replaced with KV-85 not as a reward unit
IS-3 will be replaced with IS-2 not as a reward unit
Make the T-34/85 replace the T-34/76
Remove the Assault Gear Upgrade

IS2 makes more sense to be in the place of IS3 as heavy BT call inn. IS2 is not needed in basic gameplay, because T34/85 is designed to fight Panthers and Tigers already. IS2 is just cool in gameplay because allies finally have something similar to Tiger. I still think the implementation of IS3 is a bad decision, because it didnt fight against germans. Maus actually was blown up because of war engagments and has more justification to be implemented than IS3.
KV85 as heaviest basic tank seems ok if IS2 is BT call inn.
If you upgrade the 85mm gun you wont build the T34 76 anymore. Once upgraded the T34/76 tank is redundant.
Soviets have too many SMG´s. Maybe not removing Sturmovie upgrade at all but the SMG´s.

[Otto Halfhand]

@the Fuhrer,
Greetings and welcome to the club. I quess you ar new to the EF_mod. I'm a compstomper. I don't know whether you prefer to play pvp or stomping. I have been interested in this mod for 1.5 years and played with 5 of the 7 versions presented so far. Each time a new version comes out it takes me a month to 6 weeks to absorb it. Trust me I know this mod very well. The learning curve is very steep.

I agree with some of your suggestions but they are the ones requesting missing squads like a BA10 AI armored car that can be converted to a AT armored car and ultimately a troop carrier. Probably won't happen, but if you don't ask you don't get. I disagree with your suggestions to do away with squads you don't like or know how to use.  As the Balancers say I think you may have a L2P problem. I take issue with you on somethings you have said. I can take down or force Shockguards to retreat with PG. It takes the right mix like assault Grenadiers with MP44s and you don't do it from cover. You charge the suckers. You don't attack elite infantry at 2:1 odds either. If you are going to attack use 3:1 numerical odds at least. Personally I like a 4squad blob. It will be costly but you will win. These tactics have worked for me in wargaming for 37 years. If you play pvp. Do as APEMEN has said and send a replay. The high level players on the balance team are very generous with their time in reviewing these things. If there is an imbalance you canhelp them ferret it out.

[Blackbishop]

Guys, it is his first post give him a break. I've deleted most of the post because were not necessary, so let's not derail the topic.

Now, for the suggestions... I agree with Killar and in fact at some point in the EF team some Devs proposed something along these suggestions:

IS-2 will be replaced with KV-85 not as a reward unit
IS-3 will be replaced with IS-2 not as a reward unit
Remove the Assault Gear Upgrade
Remove the SU-76

But at the end were denied. Now if Balancers find than some of those suggestions(the ones of the OP) would help EF, we could test them in our internal version and if they don't work we can just roll back everything.

[GodlikeDennis]

I agree with none of it. The only reason to change anything would be on historical grounds for IS-2 and 3, and there would be no point because we would just rebalance the units to match their replacement unit anyway.

If you have particular trouble against Soviets then post a replay in the help thread but don't come here demanding changes without any justification or replay.

[Killar]

Soviets need the SU76. Otherwise a tier1 -> tier3 strat doesnt work anymore.

USA has M8 which is comparable to a T70/T90 strat, however can be completly countered by a PE P4 and Wehr T3 Stug. USA counters this again with a ATgun they have in the same tier. Soviets have the SU76 for this.

Deleting the SU76 is like deleting the Atgun for USA in tier3.

Backteching to tier2 to get the atgun is no viable option, because you save all the fuel and rush for tier3 to spam tanks and to be very agressive. If you backtech you loose the fuel to further follow this strat (SU76 is a mobile atgun and can be very flexible in a attacking strat unlike the atgun)

[e-gon]

The only thing which is ATM Op is the IS3 vs Wehr, I am on training vs my clanmate Eastwood (like me a vetran of COH) or if u watch replays form good Sovietplayers like GD
Its allways Breakthrough IS3 and to be honest I dont know how you want to balance it, its just an unrealistic unit.
The main problem is that the Is3 is just better than every the German heavy, ok the Kt would win a 1v1, but its slow as hell, just look at Vcoh no good player is going straight for KT
I personally think that the Tigerace is twice as good as the Kt
So why not just remove it and take a IS2ace for it or Nerf it and gave it the stats of a IS2ace

[Blackbishop]

We can just nerf the IS3 .

[e-gon]

We can just nerf the IS3 .

->

Nerf it and gave it the stats of a IS2ace

I just dont like unhistorical units, in the end we got a Battel between a T55 and a E-50ausfG and both getting killed by Frencharti with Revolvercannon, oh Stop! that was WOT
I hope you get my piont now

[GodlikeDennis]

I don't always go BT at all. I go LHS prop more often than not. However, IS-3 is usually a solid thing to fall back on if I don't need any doctrinal things and just get it as a bonus. In the next patch we are working on making RHS Prop and Urban doc more viable. The IS-3 is also having some fixes related to Shrek and Pak damage modifiers.