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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2012, 07:47:53 AM »
Well Guards with PPH > PG with MP44. And with vet they really dominate PG. At least atm.

BTW what I said wasn't exact data but just an idea on how to use each of the units. They are similar but not exact :P. For exapmle you wouldnt rush a G43 PG to point blank range of a squad firing at u. Same goes for SVT I guess.
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2012, 08:21:41 AM »
SVT does 14 damage over 12 for the G43. You also get 3 of them, instead of just 2 for PGs. The SVT is extremely strong but isn't actually that great on the move. If you want your Guards to lead the way using smoke and cover to survive a long time (ie. support use), use the SVT. If you want them to rush in and wreck shit, upgrade to Shock Guards and use PPSs.

The SVT is probably in the running for best weapon in the game along with BAR, FG42 and MP44.
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2012, 08:50:53 AM »
I think the FG42 is the best IMO :D. Awesome firepower and range and with vet it just dominates.

OT but whats better, MP44 or Sten?
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2012, 09:08:05 AM »
MP44 is much better because it ignores armour type. Sten is mitigated by elite.
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2012, 02:47:45 PM »
So if we are evaluating Guards and Strelky how does the damage per rifle compare for Guards/Strelky Moisins? IIRC conscript moisins return 8-9 damage per. Might as well throw in ings and NI if your working from a spread sheet.
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2012, 03:45:54 PM »
# dp_lmg.rgd (Strelky DP-28)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 14.65
  | Zaxis M DPS = 6.7
  | Zaxis L DPS = 2.83

# naval_dp_lmg.rgd (NI DP-28)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 21.02
  | Zaxis M DPS = 6.29
  | Zaxis L DPS = 2.37

# shock_guard_dp_lmg.rgd (Guard DP-28)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 21.02
  | Zaxis M DPS = 6.29
  | Zaxis L DPS = 2.37

# pps_smg.rgd (CS PPS)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 15.13
  | Zaxis M DPS = 6.55
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.19

# pps_smg_r.rgd (Guard and Tank Rider PPS)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 16.44
  | Zaxis M DPS = 4.27
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.07

# ppsh_smg.rgd (Strelky PPSh)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 16.36
  | Zaxis M DPS = 4.33
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.7

# ppsh_smg_st.rgd (Sturmovie PPSh)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 19.63
  | Zaxis M DPS = 6.49
  | Zaxis L DPS = 2.04

# con_rifle.rgd (Conscripts)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 3.32
  | Zaxis M DPS = 1.61
  | Zaxis L DPS = 0.77

# ing_rifle.rgd (Ingenery)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 2.58
  | Zaxis M DPS = 1.25
  | Zaxis L DPS = 0.6

# guard_mosin_nagant_rifle.rgd (Guards)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 4.15
  | Zaxis M DPS = 2.63
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.64

# mosin_nagant_rifle.rgd (Strelky/Sharpshooter)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 4.15
  | Zaxis M DPS = 2.63
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.64

# mosin_nagant_rifle_tank_hunter.rgd (THs)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 2.77
  | Zaxis M DPS = 1.75
  | Zaxis L DPS = 0.82

# svt_rifle.rgd (Guard SVT)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 8.48
  | Zaxis M DPS = 5.18
  | Zaxis L DPS = 2.69

# svt_rifle_n.rgd (NI SVT)
  | Zaxis S DPS = 3.46
  | Zaxis M DPS = 2.19
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.2

Picked the highlights. An important factor to mention is this is only raw stats and doesn't include the target tables. SMGs and LMGs will appear stronger here than they actually are (against infantry armour). They actually do 25% less than is shown here. Feel free to calculate this yourself. This is due to SMGs and LMGs being designed to scale against stronger armour types while not being too strong vs infantry armour (basic armour type).
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2012, 05:13:07 PM »
Thanks Dennis. From what I see Stormovie SMGs trump Strelky SMGs. NI/SH_Gds LMGs trump Strelky LMG. Regarding the rifle DPS: is this number per squad or per weapon?
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2012, 06:24:30 PM »
Per weapon. Remember that there are 5 PPShs in a Strelky squad compared to the 4 of the Sturmovie squad. Also, both their numbers are multiplied to 0.75 for damage so the difference is smaller again. This list also doesn't take into account moving accuracy which varies quite a bit with the weapons.
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2012, 02:49:31 AM »
So we see that Strelky and Guards have the same default mosin. Guard and NI get the same LMG. Guards get their LMG as a free upg with shock, (Scoot on the Scoot for Tank riders). The NI LMG costs 50 muni per and the Strelky LMG costs 75 muni per. How much Suppression do we obtain with one, two strelky LMGs compared with the NI/Guards LMG?
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Re: Strelky vs Guards
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2012, 03:46:20 AM »
Quote from: Otto Halfhand on July 18, 2012, 02:49:31 AM
So we see that Strelky and Guards have the same default mosin. Guard and NI get the same LMG. Guards get their LMG as a free upg with shock, (Scoot on the Scoot for Tank riders). The NI LMG costs 50 muni per and the Strelky LMG costs 75 muni per. How much Suppression do we obtain with one, two strelky LMGs compared with the NI/Guards LMG?

The LMGs shouldn't suppress, and the Guard LMG can be used on the move regardless of guard type
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