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Offline Flanker1949

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2012, 07:26:25 AM »
How can that be overpowered?? Even if they use semi-auto it still can't hurt tanks. It is still way weaker than RPGs.

You want to rapidly increase the fire rate of a PTRD by changing it to a PTRS, having 2 per squad.  Imagine you have 2 TH´s which have 4 PTRD that shoot 8 (4 x 2bullets) shots (i pikcked a random fire time). Now you exchange the PTRD with the PTRS and shoot 20 bullets (4 x 5bullets) at the same time as the former PTRD. That this is the most cost effective weapon i don´t have to say :P

I said upgrade 1 member in the TH team only after they have achieved level 2 veterency and only after you purchase the "men against tank" upgrade. And you only upgrade them individually like upgrade recoil-less to the paratroopers.

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #46 on: June 05, 2012, 12:35:39 PM »
Making an overpowered weapon extremely costly to get to does not solve the problem.

It would be like saying that at Vet 1 and for 100 more munitions the Sniper can get a SVT-40 and shoot 10 sniper shots at once instead of 1.

TL;DR: This probably won't happen. What you propose is too strong.
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #47 on: June 05, 2012, 12:51:31 PM »
I didn't propose that.
And I am not suggesting automatic burst, I am suggesting semi-auto, like US M1 Grand.

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #48 on: June 05, 2012, 12:54:13 PM »
Well you want to buff PTRD weapon. Is it too weak? Why is it too weak?

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1: AT-rifle is weak even the with the upgrade that allow 2 rifles in a team, especially when Panzer IV or above come out.
2: Once you achieved level 2 veterency you can have an extra man in the team.
3: If you lost your AT-rifle, you are going to be in a world of hurt (this is just too much).

1. you need atgun
2. yes that normally happens
3. what do you mean? AFAIK you get the PTRD back if you reinforce.

Did you consider the benefits you gain by vet for the PTRS?
Did you consider that a PTRD shoots 1 time before reload and a PTRS shoots 5 times before reload?
AFAIk they have the same bullets
« Last Edit: June 05, 2012, 01:04:13 PM by Killar »

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #49 on: June 05, 2012, 05:50:09 PM »
Yes, that is all I am saying, 5 shoots before reload. And sometimes when enemy kill you, you will loss your AT rifle and even reinforce wouldn't get it back, just like sometimes German soldier loss its RPG. You will only have 1 left.

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #50 on: June 05, 2012, 05:54:34 PM »
And sometimes when enemy kill you, you will loss your AT rifle and even reinforce wouldn't get it back, just like sometimes German soldier loss its RPG. You will only have 1 left.

But thats no reason to buff TH´s with PTRS.

Pls explain why Tankhunter need that new weapon?

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #51 on: June 05, 2012, 06:28:20 PM »
Yes, that is all I am saying, 5 shoots before reload. And sometimes when enemy kill you, you will loss your AT rifle and even reinforce wouldn't get it back, just like sometimes German soldier loss its RPG. You will only have 1 left.

In this case it's your fault. No issue here, rangers don't get their Bazooka back either.
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #52 on: June 05, 2012, 07:31:12 PM »
Indeed, if you loose a PTRD or a DP-28 you don't get them back after reinforcing because that was Relic's way ;).
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #53 on: June 05, 2012, 08:25:43 PM »
And sometimes when enemy kill you, you will loss your AT rifle and even reinforce wouldn't get it back, just like sometimes German soldier loss its RPG. You will only have 1 left.

But thats no reason to buff TH´s with PTRS.

Pls explain why Tankhunter need that new weapon?

I already did earlier

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #54 on: June 05, 2012, 08:37:01 PM »
And sometimes when enemy kill you, you will loss your AT rifle and even reinforce wouldn't get it back, just like sometimes German soldier loss its RPG. You will only have 1 left.

But thats no reason to buff TH´s with PTRS.

Pls explain why Tankhunter need that new weapon?

I already did earlier

I second Killar, I don't see any valid reasons..

Increasing your shot rate to 30 shot a minute as opposed to 6 will just kill 5X more vehicles.
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #55 on: June 05, 2012, 09:01:38 PM »
still has no effect against Tanks and its ability against vehicles is still inferior than troops with RPGs

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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #56 on: June 05, 2012, 11:55:39 PM »
This is a L2P issue. I'm 100% sure at this point.
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #57 on: June 06, 2012, 04:35:44 AM »
I Don't know that the Tank Hunters need a buff but I think it makes sense that they should use the same weapon as the NI's. It has never made sense to me why CoH uses different models for the same weapons. THe same thing goes for EFs Mosin Rifle.  Change the Squads specs not the weapons specs. Lest you want to deal with a PG squad at +3 Off Vet and 2-4 Wher Shreks. Now thats a bit OP.
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #58 on: June 06, 2012, 06:59:37 AM »
Primarily for balance sake, but a weapon isn't equal in all hands either. Volks with poor training will be less accurate and worse than a trained grenadier despite using the same K98.
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Re: Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry
« Reply #59 on: June 06, 2012, 08:05:38 AM »
What's a L2P??