Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry

[Pac-Fish]

I guess it's because they are doctrine specific. They are that certain element of that doctrine; like Flak 88 would be the AT component in some doctrines while Rangers are AT in another. A person (typically but not always) shouldn't commit themselves to a certain doctrine for the sole purpose of getting a unit to spam. TH are kind of lack luster and deal minimal damage to anything above light skinned vehicles (basically tanks).

Other than that idk why

Edit: Oh and they cost alot more

[GodlikeDennis]

NI do more straight up damage and take more hits but lack the mines and AT nades to harm heavy vehicles properly. NI are much more expensive as well, in initial cost, reinforce, MU cost and upkeep cost. They lack the powerful ambush bonuses that THs have, which actually make THs have better guns than the NI PTRDs.

Neither of them have any real infantry fighting capability when fully AT specialised (NI). Both of them just have very basic rifles. NI have molos which are somewhat effective. They also have smoke. It's a tossup to what you want out of your unit. NI are better in the flat out assault role, where a kiting enemy means you can't take advantage of the TH abilities. However, THs are better on defense, as well as targeting engine damaged vehicles. THs are much more cost effective as well.

[Flanker1949]

That is why I am suggesting this upgrade with PTRS-41 
And if anyone thinks that is still not enough, I would suggest to give them a SN-42 

[Killar]

A semiautomatic rifle with 5 PTRD shots in a row that even benefits from the ambush bonus will be very OP imo.

I know that soviets have currently problems to stop flanking vehicles but this will not be dealt with op TH shots. In the next patch this will be fixed in another better way, where TH have a synergy with that new ability, so stay tuned.

[Pac-Fish]

Sounds like a Rapid Fire ability

[Flanker1949]

What does this "OP" mean??

[GodlikeDennis]

Overpowered - too strong

[Flanker1949]

How can that be overpowered?? Even if they use semi-auto it still can't hurt tanks. It is still way weaker than RPGs.

[Killar]

How can that be overpowered?? Even if they use semi-auto it still can't hurt tanks. It is still way weaker than RPGs.

You want to rapidly increase the fire rate of a PTRD by changing it to a PTRS, having 2 per squad.  Imagine you have 2 TH´s which have 4 PTRD that shoot 8 (4 x 2bullets) shots (i pikcked a random fire time). Now you exchange the PTRD with the PTRS and shoot 20 bullets (4 x 5bullets) at the same time as the former PTRD. That this is the most cost effective weapon i don´t have to say

[Pac-Fish]

And considering how the PTRD seems to deal considerable dmg to infantry (which I believe should be looked into) they would be spammed once again.

[Pac-Fish]

And considering how the PTRD seems to deal considerable dmg to infantry (which I believe should be looked into) they would be spammed once again.

[Otto Halfhand]

I think you may be confusing the issue Shark. My observations indicate that THs do more damage with their rifles to infantry. After MAT their effectiveness goes done. I don't really know what the AIclass is for THs with one PTRD. When a second Ptrd is added the aiclass against infantry goes up 5. when the 5 man (with a rifle) is added at vet2 another 5 is added to aiclass. against inf. If you think about it aiclass values are given on the battle GUI, bottom center. just select the squad under the three mentioned conditions and check the values.

I have used THs as low grade infantry for a long time. I don't Spam it though. 3-4 squads is the most I ever use. I like your new username

[Pac-Fish]

I like your new username

TY

I think you may be confusing the issue Shark. My observations indicate that THs do more damage with their rifles to infantry. After MAT their effectiveness goes done.

Im not sure what MAT means but what I meant was at close range the PTRD shots seem to land more often than they should on infantry (idk if its unintentional when they got a close range buff) and the shots do a good deal of damage (nothing monstrous like a shreck) but still alot of dmg for one shot.

[TheVolskinator]

Dont rely on UI anti(x) class values.

Looking at them in corsix, in a word, TH are shit. I wouldn't buy them over an atg. Ever. EVER. I'd rather take NI and use their *very* good SVT40s with a single PTRD. Yes they have a higher reinforcement cost and upkeep, but theyre so much more effective that that argument is null and void.

[Otto Halfhand]

Volks what are the aiclass values for THs it doesn't make much sense that AI would go up 5 when a 2 Prtd is added. there should be some effect on ALveh and AMveh. at the very least. I use Ths as a soft counter AT  and as low grade infantry. The savings 80mp? I put into my tank budget. 5 NIs vs 5THs is about the mp cost for a T34. Having 2 T34s vs infantry works pretty well and double teaming enemy armor is the right way to go IMO.