Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry

[Killar]

I won´t call them in anymore because i get better AT infantry with TH´s

[Otto Halfhand]

Well Killar its not a bad idea, but personally I don't think a non-specialized unit should get this type of AT rifle. The Tank Hunters should get an upgrade to PTRS-41 when they get Men Against Tanks, because it would fit with them much better than with the NI, who should keep the PTRD.

Do you mean only the model change or an increase in firepower? Navals ARE specialized AT infantry just like Rangers. Why should i call navals in when i get the better TH´s (increased firepower) as basic units?

I won´t call them in anymore because i get better AT infantry with TH´s

Tank Hunters should be more effective at AT role than NI. They should get the best available equipment for that role. As Neosdark notes NI are non-specialized infantry.  They are best called-in when a gap exists in your TO&E. If you have a T2 Start (no T1) call them in for infantry. If You are using a Fast Tank start (No T2) call them in as AT counter. If you are using a T1 Ing/Stormovie start they can be used for both AT and AI roles.
There are better uses for your resources than calling-in NI when you have other suitable counters.

[Flanker1949]

I was just thinking, maybe we can even give the Shock Guards the same kind of buff with an AVT-40 assault rifle:   

http://www.royalgunpowdermills.com/armoury.php?mode=2&cat=Fully+Automatic+and+Self+Loading+Rifles+and+Carbines&item=118

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?170286-Questions-about-the-SVT-40-Tokarev-rifle

http://www.tircollection.com/t9718-tokarev-svt-40-avt-40

[Flanker1949]

Well Killar its not a bad idea, but personally I don't think a non-specialized unit should get this type of AT rifle. The Tank Hunters should get an upgrade to PTRS-41 when they get Men Against Tanks, because it would fit with them much better than with the NI, who should keep the PTRD.

Do you mean only the model change or an increase in firepower? Navals ARE specialized AT infantry just like Rangers. Why should i call navals in when i get the better TH´s (increased firepower) as basic units?

Not just change model, and not increase in firepower. But increase in firing rate. Dang!! Dang!! Dang!! Dang!! Dang!! 5 rounds!!!   

[neosdark]

I was just thinking, maybe we can even give the Shock Guards the same kind of buff with an AVT-40 assault rifle:   

http://www.royalgunpowdermills.com/armoury.php?mode=2&cat=Fully+Automatic+and+Self+Loading+Rifles+and+Carbines&item=118

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?170286-Questions-about-the-SVT-40-Tokarev-rifle

http://www.tircollection.com/t9718-tokarev-svt-40-avt-40

Yeah no, AVT-40 shouldn't be included. It was uncontrollable in full auto so it made more sense to just keep it on semi auto, thus making it an SVT-40 anyway.

And Killar, they (Naval Infantry) cannot be specialized AT infantry since their AT weapons must be bought.

[GodlikeDennis]

Well that's not strictly true. Airborne and Stormtroopers can both be specialised AT infantry.

[neosdark]

Dennis I'm not gonna argue with you because I doubt it will get me anywhere.

[Pac-Fish]

Dennis I'm not gonna argue with you because I doubt it will get me anywhere.

LOL that isn't necessarily true but that is generally the outcome

[stealthattack1]

Dennis I'm not gonna argue with you because I doubt it will get me anywhere.

LOL that isn't necessarily true but that is generally the outcome

actually, i think it might be 

If you get into an argument with me, you're wrong.

[Otto Halfhand]

Well that's not strictly true. Airborne and Stormtroopers can both be specialised AT infantry.

Dennis how would you compare Storms with 2 Shreks to THs with 2 Ptrds in AT role?

[Otto Halfhand]

No sharks I am not being sarcastic. If you prefer I will be happy to change my request to TH's/2PTRDs to Grenadiers/2 shreks.

If I were being sarcastic I would have suggested  a VG/4shreks or a PG with 2 picked up Wher shreks and +3 off vet.

[Pac-Fish]

No sharks I am not being sarcastic. If you prefer I will be happy to change my request to TH's/2PTRDs to Grenadiers/2 shreks.

If I were being sarcastic I would have suggested  a VG/4shreks or a PG with 2 picked up Wher shreks and +3 off vet.

Ok sorry for saying that

So if this is the case then what is there to compare b/w dual shrecks and dual PTRD? The shrecks are clearly better. And the Grenadiers are clearly better thenselves. The only advantage to a TH over a Gren/Storm squad would be the AT mine or AT nade which are specifically designed to kill tanks while the Grens/Storms are more orientied to fighting infantry but have a shreck option to help counter armor. Or cost. 150 muni + 300 mp over 280 mp (and w/e Men Against Tanks cost)

[Cranialwizard]

Airborne infantry blow at everything else unless they pick up weapons as they travel. You can consider them anti-tank / anti-bunker

Stormtroopers are specialized anti-anythingyouwantthemtobe

[Pac-Fish]

Stormtroopers are specialized anti-anythingyouwantthemtobe

loL Im sure Relic will love that title

[neosdark]

The fact of the matter was I was going to make a similar comparison to Dennis (TH vs. NI).

My problem is that TH are fairly useless at what they should be doing. If they are AT infantry (or AV/AT stopgap) then they should be better at it than a jack of trades unit such as the NI. If NIs are better at it than the TH themselves, then why bother with TH at all. Engies get cheap mines so I can place those. NI have more health, firepower, soldiers per squad, and are useful against infantry even with the PTRD upgrade. Plus they can build sandbags, so I an build my self some nice cover and fight off those ACs or Puma, and if necessary retreat under smoke cover. So what are the pluses of the much loved TH?

Airborne are specialized AT cause like Cranial said, otherwise they are useless. Jack of All Trades troops like NI, Stormies, and perhaps Rangers (notice perhaps) shouldn't be better than units designed to do a certain job, unless said job doesn't exist in the army