Some suggestions on Soviet AT infantry

[Flanker1949]

OK, I know that the Soviet AT infantries are meant to be weak and historically they only had AT rifle and has no RPGs. That is not what I am suggesting, so please just bear with me for a sec and hear me out. 

Here are the main features of Soviet AT infantry in game:
1: AT-rifle is weak even the with the upgrade that allow 2 rifles in a team, especially when Panzer IV or above come out.
2: Once you achieved level 2 veterency you can have an extra man in the team.
3: If you lost your AT-rifle, you are going to be in a world of hurt (this is just too much).

So I suggest that once the "Man against tank" have been upgraded and you achieved level 2 veterency and get your extra man, you can upgrade your AT infantry on team bases with a Simonov PTRS 5 rounds semi-automatic anti-tank rifle. This way, the AT-infantry would be still weak against medium to heavy tanks, but it will be so devastating against light armor. And this upgrade will make the Soviet AT infantry so different with other AT-infantry from other factions, especially the Ostheer AT-rifle man only has the bolt action one. And will make things so interesting.

What do you guys think?

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

TH were never supposed to be a hard counter against any kind of tanks. So you probably deserved it when you still had TH while the first Panzer IV came out.a

[Killar]

At managment will change in the next soviet patch for good.

You should build a ATgun against tanks. In vcoh its the same.

[Flanker1949]

I know it that TH were never supposed to be a hard counter against any kind of tanks and I should have AT gun. I am only suggesting this because I think this will make things more interesting by differenciate Soviet TH more from the rest of AT infantry, especially compare to the Ostheers.    Also give them slightly better ability for slightly better mix infantry tactics while make them still weak against tanks.
Thanks for any considerations, guys.

[stealthattack1]

well, basically what youre saying is that the tank hunters need a buff. i believe the tank hunters balance has been one last issues in this mod, as the balancers and devs have pretty much made it balanced. however, i also believe that tank hunters are workable as they are. they are not meant to be a counter to tanks, but instead a ambush unit, like cloaking them in cover and planting an AT mine, and then when enemy armor hits the mine, they come out and finish the job. the only reason you shouldn't build an AT gun in the game is if you are playing against pe before the p4 hits the field. TH will do great against halftrack and light vehicles.
TL:DR, TH will get a change in the next patch, but that will be the end of changes, probably for the soviets.

[Otto Halfhand]

i also believe that tank hunters are workable as they are. they are not meant to be a counter to tanks, but instead a ambush unit, like cloaking them in cover

There is still a problem with THs stepping out of cover.

OT sort of :When you change the parameters for getting a squad into cover by a large enough value to make a difference the system starts to oscillate too much. If this means anything to you and you have an idea about correcting it contact JoJo or me about it.

the only reason you shouldn't build an AT gun in the game

is if you have tanks to begin with. The best defence is a good offence in this regard.

[Pac-Fish]

Well the whole "to get AT gun or not" thing is debate-able and every side has their different opinion but that's for another topic

[Killar]

Actually i would like to have the PTRS on the Navals. Navals should deal more damage to vehicles but they have only the PTRD. We buffed the damage the PTRD does in the current patch, but changing it with the PTRS might be a possibility too.

[neosdark]

Well Killar its not a bad idea, but personally I don't think a non-specialized unit should get this type of AT rifle. The Tank Hunters should get an upgrade to PTRS-41 when they get Men Against Tanks, because it would fit with them much better than with the NI, who should keep the PTRD.

[Flanker1949]

Hi, guys. I think some of you may have misunderstood me (sorry for my poor English, it is possible that I misunderstood you guys).

I am not suggestion big change to boost TH to make them have the ability to destroy tanks. I suggest that they can only get this PTRS upgrade once the "Man against Tank" is purchased and only after they achieved level 2 veterency, and you can only upgrade them individually just like you upgrade the recoilless on the para-troopers. And even if they do get the PTRS, they would be still weak against Tanks, so that will not change the gaming taste at all, while in the same time, differentiate themselves more from other AT infantry.

[Otto Halfhand]

Well Killar its not a bad idea, but personally I don't think a non-specialized unit should get this type of AT rifle. The Tank Hunters should get an upgrade to PTRS-41 when they get Men Against Tanks, because it would fit with them much better than with the NI, who should keep the PTRD.

+1

[Blackbishop]

Well Killar its not a bad idea, but personally I don't think a non-specialized unit should get this type of AT rifle. The Tank Hunters should get an upgrade to PTRS-41 when they get Men Against Tanks, because it would fit with them much better than with the NI, who should keep the PTRD.

I think this idea can be applied(or something similar related to PTRS), Walki & Rizz might know why I say this .

[Flanker1949]

Thanks for the support!! Can't wait to see it in the next patch. 

[Killar]

Well Killar its not a bad idea, but personally I don't think a non-specialized unit should get this type of AT rifle. The Tank Hunters should get an upgrade to PTRS-41 when they get Men Against Tanks, because it would fit with them much better than with the NI, who should keep the PTRD.

Do you mean only the model change or an increase in firepower? Navals ARE specialized AT infantry just like Rangers. Why should i call navals in when i get the better TH´s (increased firepower) as basic units?

[Flanker1949]

Do you mean only the model change or an increase in firepower? Navals ARE specialized AT infantry just like Rangers. Why should i call navals in when i get the better TH´s (increased firepower) as basic units?

People will still call Marine because Marine is an all purpose infantry, they have semi-automatic rifle, light machine gun and AT rifle.