Bergepanther ARV reward unit for Panzer Elite

[contaminatedapostasy]

First af all, thank you for all the work you've done bring us this wonderful mod. Thank you.

I've searched forum looking post related to my idea, but didn't find topic similiar to mine.

And to the point: Bergepanther ARV reward unit for Panzer Elite.

I've summarized bergepanther related messages here and I decided to make some of my own suggestion, bringing the most suited facts together.

First: Which faction should had bergetiger? Panzer Elite. Many members have said here, and I fully agree, that ARV is PE-thing, since they use lot of paper and cardboard to protect their light mechanized troops(HTs, ACs and so on). Bergetiger is unique among the game and bergepanther should not spread vehicle recovery abilities to other factions. So, it should be a reward unit to bergetiger.

Secondly: what should it do, what should it do differently? Basicly it could have just the same abilities as bergeT does now, just different stats since it's based on panther, not tiger. Of course, towing the vehicle or wreck to safer area would be awesome, but developers might find making it pain in the butt.
I also like idea of bergepanther giving ride to one squad(5 men, so it could carry any PE squad) which could man bergepanthers MGs, provide little firesupport while berge is doing it's business and maybe augement(just a little!) it's repair capabilities. Note to weaponary: Some early models were armed with 20mm autocannon, models built later had 2 MG 34, or 42s. Both options are worth considering. Even it would have "huge offensive weaponary", it should only gain def-vet.

3rd thing to mention: As we know, bergetiger is unique, most likely field modded vehicle(see link below). There is still no reason to remove it from the game. I love the model, I love bergetiger itself. BUT. Since bergepanther, true ARV, could be introduced, bergetiger should lose it's wreck recovering abilities. While maintaining repair skills, since there are pioneers riding it, it could also lay some kind of remotely detonated explosive. This is what it really might have done with it's crane: planted several hunderd kilogramms of explosive in place.

Explosive planting ability could be just munition based point&plant, where berge drives to the point clicked, plants bomb with it's crane and done. Little cooldown before it could be detonated(also prevents allies from exploding it with arty, bergeT along the bomb). Second new ability could be wreckconsuming: Wehrmacht pioneer's salvage. This is also something it could have done with it's crane, tearing wrecks apart.

Now you could choose from two heavy repairing vehicles: one could accumulate munition by salvaging and then plant bombs and one could do bergetigers original task.

One more thing: I apologize my very, very bad english.

Thank you for reading.

Link I mentioned: newbielink:http://fingolfen.tripod.com/tiger/zimmberge.html [nonactive]

[TheVolskinator]

I realise that the devs have stated "nothing new till OH" but I haven't seen any updates for a short while. This idea is solid and well thought out, I approve. I hope others also see the validity of this idea. The ONLY issue is finding someone to create a Bergepanther model.

[stealthattack1]

alright first off, a couple things.
1- if this idea is accepted, it probably wont happen for a while due to othseer.
2- thank you for your politeness, this may be taken for granted, but in reality, your chances of having your idea accepted are massively increased by this fact.
3- bassically, the idea sounds like a much better bergetiger, such as being able to carry troops and so on. the problem with this is that there has to be a reason to prefer the tiger over the panther. whether this is that the bergepanther is not as armored as the bergetiger, or more expensive, idk, but it has to have disadvantages compared to the bergetiger.
4- as for changing the bergetiger or removing it from the game, this is something the devs will not do. their goal is to make this mod as compatible to vCoH as it can be, and as such, wont change the vanilla factions except to fix a bug.

other than that, be patient. othseer will most likely come before ANY reward units, not just yours.

[Pac-Fish]

What does ARV stand for

And this idea seems ok. Maybe Panther will be faster but (obviously) more susceptible to damage. Maybe let troops ride on it (1 squad max) for fun .

[Blackbishop]

Maybe "armoured recovery vehicle"

[Cranialwizard]

Or Armored Repair Vehicle

Changing the Bergetiger into not a repair vehicle would somewhat defeat it's own purpose, and even less people would get it than they do currently.

Plus, it's a change to vanilla, probably a no-go sadly.

[contaminatedapostasy]

I realise that the devs have stated "nothing new till OH" but I haven't seen any updates for a short while. This idea is solid and well thought out, I approve. I hope others also see the validity of this idea. The ONLY issue is finding someone to create a Bergepanther model.

I do realise OH is dev's number one priority at the moment and I appreciate it. I know how much it takes work to make completely new model and animate it. After all, I just wanted to bring my thoughts to public.

alright first off, a couple things.
1- if this idea is accepted, it probably wont happen for a while due to othseer.
2- thank you for your politeness, this may be taken for granted, but in reality, your chances of having your idea accepted are massively increased by this fact.
3- bassically, the idea sounds like a much better bergetiger, such as being able to carry troops and so on. the problem with this is that there has to be a reason to prefer the tiger over the panther. whether this is that the bergepanther is not as armored as the bergetiger, or more expensive, idk, but it has to have disadvantages compared to the bergetiger.
4- as for changing the bergetiger or removing it from the game, this is something the devs will not do. their goal is to make this mod as compatible to vCoH as it can be, and as such, wont change the vanilla factions except to fix a bug.

other than that, be patient. othseer will most likely come before ANY reward units, not just yours.

About 3: You're right. I really sounds like improved bergetiger, but it should, of course, have it's disadvantages too. Like every new unit dev's might accept to create, they sure balance them and their abilities well. We have whole mod showing well balanced new units, so I believe in developers in what ever they bring us to play with.

About 4:I really didn't thought that, but now you mentioned it, it's probably not going to happen in any circumstances. I really just forgot it in all the excitement.

And yeah, ARV stand for Armoured Recovery Vehicle.

Thank you for positive feedback 

[Cranialwizard]

No problem. We appreciate your interest and perhaps this will go into consideration as it seems well thought. The idea might be tweaked slightly to not provide too many changes to vanilla.

[contaminatedapostasy]

I had little discussion with my friend today about this idea. He's also EF-player and has good knowledge about war machines, tanks etc. But to the point: we talked about this, how BergeT is vCoH product and it wont be changed. BUT, then again, abilities I suggested, converting wrecks to munition: he suggested if BergePanther could do it, instead of having same wreck recovering ability. After all, ARVs might have been salvaging vehicles that were unrepairable damaged. They could still have ammo and other working stuff inside. I think this is "why pioneers gain munition" by salvaging wrecks.

Bergepanther would then, instead of bringing vehicles back into a fight, be different alternative for Bergetiger, not just little faster and lesser armored variant. With this little modification to my original suggestion, I can still stand behind original my thought: Two repair vehicles to choose, one to salvage the wrecks and one to save the day. Problem with additional munition gain is of course game balance, but after all these are just my suggestions, not "To do"-list. 

No problem. We appreciate your interest and perhaps this will go into consideration as it seems well thought. The idea might be tweaked slightly to not provide too many changes to vanilla.

It's always nice to hear someone has noticed idea of mine. And if it(like it might, I know ) happens it wont ever be in EF, I'm not sad. There will be just some even more awesome units instead 

[Blackbishop]

Atm we haven't planned to add more units to PE and probably we won't, they have already too many units and adding the bergepanther would mean to make one additional model and there is no dev interested in such unit as well(at least for now, our 2D/3D artist have their hands full with OH & the new SU models).

I'll lock this topic now, seems it already delivered the intended message.