v1.6 What's your Soviet order of Battle?

[Otto Halfhand]

What Order of Battle do you use for the Soviet Faction? We all pay lipservice to the concept that you shouldn't need Doctrinal Support to win. Is this really true or do you rely on a particular Doctrine?
Basically I challange you to sumbit the OB you typically use to play the game.

Rules:
Your OB should Include units and quantities from T0,T1,T2, T3, T4 but exclude doctrinal call-ins. I make one exception to this rule: If you have a preference for SPA rather than Firebases you may so state. Your OB should reflect what you actually build, not your wish list. There is one exception here as well. If you think the Sovs should have ACs available you may so state, pro or con. Your initial post should only include your OB, not commentary.

Otto's OB
CS /1 ing /2 Stormovie /5 conscripts /1 strelky /2 Gds /3 TH /2 hvy mortars /2 sharpshooters /1 AT/ Zis ambulance /1 T90 /2 T34/85 or 1 Heavy tank.
I prefer fire bases
I would like 2 ACs

[stealthattack1]

um, im a little confused, how can you build a command squad without an injenery first? iirc you need a red army mustering tent to get CS, and since soviets dont have a starting unit, you cant strait off build a CS. please explain.

[Pac-Fish]

I think the 1st Inginery is implied since you literally can't play w/o building your first inginery

[stealthattack1]

then why does it say

/1 ing /

if there were 2?

[Pac-Fish]

IDK, ask him . Honestly his post is kind of confusing

[GodlikeDennis]

Every game is different because you have to react to what your opponent does. There are a few template BOs I run off though.

Standard:
Ing (barracks) - CS - cons X3 - molos - T2a or b

Vehicles:
Ing (barracks) - CS - cons X4 - molos and/or NI as needed - T3 - T90/70s

Fast T2:
Ing X2 (barracks & caps) - CS - con X1-2 - T2 - Strelkyspam

From these 3 general build orders I can adapt them to mortar support, sniper spam, T4 teching - whatever I want really.

[Cranialwizard]

It's hard to pinpoint such a complex order like Otto identified. You'd be better off setting up Templates like Dennis. You can't get too wrapped around a certain BO because if you do chances are it won't work. If the enemy pops a fast Puma and you're so wrapped up into getting fast vehicles that you don't have T2 you'll be destroyed unless you go for Propaganda real fast with several munitions on hand, and if you have a build order chances are you already have your doctrine chosen.

[Pac-Fish]

Yeah chances are if you have a concrete BO and you screw up somewhere then you will be both confused and behind. Better to have standard things and adapt from there .

I generally get (although Im a noob >_<)

Ing-Barracks-CS-Consx3 (x4 if I feel confident in my ability to push enemy off map w/o better inf)-T2a or b (usually a)- T3 fast T70.

You probably dont need the T2 in this but I feel better with it

[Otto Halfhand]

Guys I am not talking about build order.
@ Cranial please tell me about (or shoot me a link), Dennis's Template tool. oops!

[Pac-Fish]

Guys I am not talking about build order.

Then would you care to clarify?

[Killar]

What Order of Battle do you use for the Soviet Faction? We all pay lipservice to the concept that you shouldn't need Doctrinal Support to win. Is this really true or do you rely on a particular Doctrine?
Basically I challange you to sumbit the OB you typically use to play the game.

Is that for comp stomping or PvP?

[stealthattack1]

Is that for comp stomping or PvP?

a good question.

[Otto Halfhand]

Guys I am not talking about build order.

Then would you care to clarify?

I am interested in:

• Reading the chatter it seems to me that players are concentrating (relying if you will) on Propaganda Doctrine. Not a problem as far as the game goes. If it works, great. Use it. Thinking in terms of the Mod though; Focusing on Propaganda may help "perfect" that Doctrine but wlll slow down detection/correction of Problems in the other two  Doctrines. The v1.6 Changes to Breakthrough are a case in point. Asa player I hate the change and and less likely to use it. THe changes that were made may have been necessary for balance but if no one uses the  Doctrine how will we know. Mod development will slow down, and when Ostheer arrives the problem may fall through the cracks. Causing a Balancing headache later on. Capisch?
• I am interested in the types of unit mixes players would use if Doctrines were unavailable to "pull the fat out of the fire". Dennis' templates provide the type of information I'm looking for. He is a clear thinker and very astute. GodLike he may be but his is one voice in over 7,000. I am interested in theother 6,999+ viewpoints as well.

I hope this clears up the situation.

I think its more for pvp then AI play. I rant about 2CP NI but that is never a problem in compstomps.

[stealthattack1]

i know some players are getting a feel for the recently (re)added penal troops. this might be part of the reason why youre seeing propaganda more. as for my build order, it all depends.

[Pac-Fish]

People rely on Propaganda doctrine because of the Naval Infantry. When you as rushing vehicles you don't want to spend fuel right? So you don't build T2. But w/o T2 you have no hard hitting infantry. So thats where NI come in. They act as a effective stop gap until you get Tanks and can then maybe back tech. They have light AT and good AI with their elite armor and DPs