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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2012, 03:06:33 AM »
Its ok :P. I had to have 2 ppl tell me the same exact instructions before I understood it (I think both neos and Killar had to explain it to me :P).

If you intend on uploading a game for us to see(which it sounds like u are) I wouldn't mind looking at it (as I'd imagine the balancers dont wanna watch a comp stomp game >_<). Im a medicore player (maybe not even) but I think I can still help a little :D

The EF team doesn't want Player vs CPU game in the replay thread (IIRC). However you could PM it or just upload it here, as its not the replay thread.

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2012, 03:09:03 AM »
nah its like I really want to upload it but for some reason gamereplays.org physically denies accepting Human VS CPU games.... do you know maybe any other replay sites?

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2012, 03:13:09 AM »
I already said :P :

BTW if you wanna upload it, use a upload website or stick it in a Compressed folder (I had to be taught this :P). Its better to upload it to a website like speedyshare.com or Meguploads.com

Read the entire thing carefully ;).

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2012, 03:16:23 AM »

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2012, 03:17:45 AM »
oh and thanks for all the replies people!

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2012, 03:20:46 AM »
I'll tell you in a sec if it worked ;). I'll watch it dont worry :D


Oh BTW you cant upload EF games on GR.org IIRC. They only deal with vCOH things. Although I've never tried it so who's to say ???

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2012, 04:06:39 AM »
Okay I've watched the replay and I saw alot of mistakes :P. But they are fixable.

-You are playing with high resources. This is fun but its not recommend if you ever want to play competively (as in PvP). This isn't really a issue, I thought I'd just point that out

-You ONLY build engineers at first. This is not something you should do! You need main infantry, paticularly your CS. It grants global vet which will be better than any engineer squad  ::)

-You build a support barracks and THs but there are not vehicles. IDK why you do this but please dont :P. You need Conscripts or strelky (and since you were kinda camping)  a sniper.

-You cap a point using multiple squads (which I already said you shouldn't do). This doesn't help at all and only results in loses.

-You litterally pick a doctrine the minute the game starts. You should always wait to see what the enemy does b/c some doctrines elp more than others.

-You literally block off the entrance to the left of your base and let you opponent have all those resources. You shouldn't do this. If it was a real person, you would be giving them a huge advantage. You need to be more aggresive

-You leave the medium fuel untouched and simply go for low points. You yourself said you couldn't get early vehicles cause you could hold on to the resources. Well that meduim fuel would've been pretty helpful early on.

-You float ALOT of resources. Early on you shouldn't float so many reasources. Spend them

- After you repel the enemy you simply sit there, waiting for him to return. Dont do that. Start decapping points and push him off the map.

-You try to kill a Volks squad using a SU-76. This is a AT tank, not the terminator >_<. Use real infantry to kill them, not a AT tank.

-You leave a crap load of MGs lying around. Many ppl complain that SU doesn't have a supression unit. Well theres your chance. You should have recrewwed those weapons. Later on you build another MG. That wouldn't have been necessary if you had simply recrewd a MG

-You make no effort to retake the strategic points, rendering you without muni or fuel. Thats not good. You should try to reconnect your territory, not just leave it out there.

-You dont support your SU-76 tanks. You simply send them out alone to try and kill the enemy's Geschutzwagens. Please support you AT, not just try and go rambo on the enemy >_<. Also its not a smart idea to have Assault gun take on another assault gun. You needed ZiS-3 AT guns

-You many numerous upgrades yet you dont take full advantage of them. You buy a Sturmitove and Men againt tanks upgrade but only buy one of each :( (later you buy more). Those upgrades are expensive. Make the most of them. Also you buy the SU resource upkeep thing (IDK the name). You dont really need that.

-You blob alot. An important idea of COH is using cover, not just charging the enemy. You need to utilize the green cover around you.

-Your mechanics litteraly just sit around doing nothing while your building is being destroyed. There is a reason they have fix ability :P

-You dont attack Pios and Volks with THs. That why they have AT rifles :P, not snipers or MGs. You especially dont attack anything with mechanics >_>

Those are the things I think you did wrong. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure about these mistakes. Try not to make them in the future :)

God damn, I didn't realize my post would be this long >_<

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2012, 04:23:05 AM »
Nah, you can definitely upload PvP EF matched to GR.org... unless they've changed their minds for some bizarre reason? I doubt it.

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2012, 04:25:30 AM »
Nah, you can definitely upload PvP EF matched to GR.org... unless they've changed their minds for some bizarre reason? I doubt it.

Hmm, never knew that :P. Do you still see the SU troops and all just like you would any regular upload or does it get modified ???

BTW your picture doesn't appear :P (I think its called an avatar?)

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2012, 04:35:31 AM »
Okay I've watched the replay and I saw alot of mistakes :P. But they are fixable.

-You are playing with high resources. This is fun but its not recommend if you ever want to play competively (as in PvP). This isn't really a issue, I thought I'd just point that out

-You ONLY build engineers at first. This is not something you should do! You need main infantry, paticularly your CS. It grants global vet which will be better than any engineer squad  ::)

-You build a support barracks and THs but there are not vehicles. IDK why you do this but please dont :P. You need Conscripts or strelky (and since you were kinda camping)  a sniper.

-You cap a point using multiple squads (which I already said you shouldn't do). This doesn't help at all and only results in loses.

-You litterally pick a doctrine the minute the game starts. You should always wait to see what the enemy does b/c some doctrines elp more than others.

-You literally block off the entrance to the left of your base and let you opponent have all those resources. You shouldn't do this. If it was a real person, you would be giving them a huge advantage. You need to be more aggresive

-You leave the medium fuel untouched and simply go for low points. You yourself said you couldn't get early vehicles cause you could hold on to the resources. Well that meduim fuel would've been pretty helpful early on.

-You float ALOT of resources. Early on you shouldn't float so many reasources. Spend them

- After you repel the enemy you simply sit there, waiting for him to return. Dont do that. Start decapping points and push him off the map.

-You try to kill a Volks squad using a SU-76. This is a AT tank, not the terminator >_<. Use real infantry to kill them, not a AT tank.

-You leave a crap load of MGs lying around. Many ppl complain that SU doesn't have a supression unit. Well theres your chance. You should have recrewwed those weapons. Later on you build another MG. That wouldn't have been necessary if you had simply recrewd a MG

-You make no effort to retake the strategic points, rendering you without muni or fuel. Thats not good. You should try to reconnect your territory, not just leave it out there.

-You dont support your SU-76 tanks. You simply send them out alone to try and kill the enemy's Geschutzwagens. Please support you AT, not just try and go rambo on the enemy >_<. Also its not a smart idea to have Assault gun take on another assault gun. You needed ZiS-3 AT guns

-You many numerous upgrades yet you dont take full advantage of them. You buy a Sturmitove and Men againt tanks upgrade but only buy one of each :( (later you buy more). Those upgrades are expensive. Make the most of them. Also you buy the SU resource upkeep thing (IDK the name). You dont really need that.

-You blob alot. An important idea of COH is using cover, not just charging the enemy. You need to utilize the green cover around you.

-Your mechanics litteraly just sit around doing nothing while your building is being destroyed. There is a reason they have fix ability :P

-You dont attack Pios and Volks with THs. That why they have AT rifles :P, not snipers or MGs. You especially dont attack anything with mechanics >_>

Those are the things I think you did wrong. I may be wrong but I am pretty sure about these mistakes. Try not to make them in the future :)

God damn, I didn't realize my post would be this long >_<

and I bet you didn't think it would be that bad either... hehe  :-[

but I will say in my own defense  ;D that I made some decisions that I don't usually do.

Agree on your point outs on:
engineers
opening of support barracks
capping strategies
picking a doctrine too fast
lack of aggression
floating resources
support for su-76s
some blobbing
mechanics sitting around
recrewing mg42s
maybe SU resource. It helped a little though but maybe not necessary as you said
Generally don't do as pointed out though are:
using cover. I usually put heavy emphasize on cover but in the charges with tank hunters I made it a goal to try and kill the vehicles as they backed away.
Somewhat on the lack of upgrades usage. well for sturmovie I kind of didn't really want to build too many cause of their munitions upkeep but then again that's me being paranoid but I Think a vet3 sturmovie is pretty good at least... not a total waste. The men against tanks, with my 2 main tank hunter squads, was I believe, pivotal to the defeat of the enemy armor
For using tank hunters against infantry, I know they aren't good, but I was using them as an interim solution as my stronger forces were up north.

I don't know but in general, i felt like sending guys to cap around after a repelled offense would thin my line out too much leaving it vulnerable to a concentrated assault and I was paranoid of losing my central foothold which I eventually did. And I understand that the SU-76 is bad against infantry,  but I was using as once again, an interim solution as the stopgap to the counter which never really arrived hehe....
but in general I was trying something new with the armory at first cause my hope was to get fast sturmovie and push back with sturmovie and SU-76s (yes bad idea trying to rely on a call-in) but usually I do a Red Army Mustering Tent followed by a support barracks with a sniper with an eventual early game comp of a sniper and command squad and some strelky.
but back to the main point my mistakes come from me not being able to keep up with the units coming and capping my territory from all sides and well yeah. I just kind of get overwhelmed as I lose territory left and right and struggle to retake it without leaving my original positions far too weak. but good advice! I will definitely use!

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2012, 04:44:09 AM »
Its ok to rely on a call in (a KT is a call in after all :P ) but you need to use it to your full advantage and when its necessary. There where only HTs running around yet you called in SU-76s. I mean, yeah, its AT but the Volks and snipers were a much bigger problem.
 
Your THs were ok but you shouldn't be charging them at Pumas and Ostwinds. Its death right there. You needed infantry AT guns to repel armor like that effectively (you retreated you TH blob countless times)
 
Any enemy only has so many units and if you repel all of them then its safe to cap around. One of your main problems was your lack of main infantry. They would have really helped you repel those Volks squads.
 
And you also left your mortar there to be captured. Try not to do that ;)
 
You didn't really do that bad :P. All COH players must start somewhere. And even if they do get used to vCOH, SU is pretty different. Overall, I think you need to play a PvP game. Maybe at some point you can find the time to try one out? Im sure lots of ppl would be willing to play with you :D

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2012, 04:48:07 AM »
yeah... I don't know about PvP cause its in tight with my parents cause I got carried away with Starcraft... lol
but I'm pretty sure I could circumvent the system if I hosted a passworded custom game and someone just happened to... plop in per se.... ;)

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2012, 04:52:17 AM »
but ofc, I still need a lot of work before diving in...

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2012, 05:06:03 AM »
NP :). If you ever want to play just let me know. And if you keep practicing you'll eventually learn more. Losing actually helps you learn more. Winning (for me) just makes me a tad cocky and then I lose the next game  :P. So I've learned to lose more XD. Im JK. You could also play with other ppl. They would also be willing to help you :D

And just play a game or 2 a week :P. No big deal :D.

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Re: I'm overreliant on MG emplacements vs Wehr as soviets.
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2012, 05:16:58 AM »
Nah, you can definitely upload PvP EF matched to GR.org... unless they've changed their minds for some bizarre reason? I doubt it.

Hmm, never knew that :P. Do you still see the SU troops and all just like you would any regular upload or does it get modified ???

Downloaders will need to run EF in order to watch the replay, like we do here :P Otherwise, they'll just get a synch error.

BTW your picture doesn't appear :P (I think its called an avatar?)

I know, my host has been down for like a week, it happens every few months so they're probably doing maintenance. Hopefully it'll be back up soon...

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