What if...

[Pac-Fish]

War can help technologically but it takes a huge toll on our reasources

[neosdark]

Urmm the people of Phoenicia invented the Wheel from whence it spread across the world, Matt.

 And war is a necessity. Its called population control. Like we could use some war against China right about now, or better yet India vs. China, great way of decreasing out worlds population. A swathe of MG bullets at a time.

[Pac-Fish]

Well Im pretty sure there are better ways to maintian population than through machine guns 

[Tankbuster]

Urmm the people of Phoenicia invented the Wheel from whence it spread across the world, Matt.

 And war is a necessity. Its called population control. Like we could use some war against China right about now, or better yet India vs. China, great way of decreasing out worlds population. A swathe of MG bullets at a time.

You guys gave nuclear tech to Pakistan. Now look where that got you. They gave it to Iran and North Korea. The wheel was developed separately across many cultures.

[stealthattack1]

A Like we could use some war against China right about now

sounds like another mod i know.....

[Pac-Fish]

If Im correct the wheel originated in Mesopotamia. Or around the region

[Otto Halfhand]

I disagree that the Luftwaffe was "easily beaten" It was a near thing. "Never have so many owed so much to so few"... etc

Sealion could never have succeeded without the neutralization of the Royal Navy. For all of the Kriegsmarine's innovations during the interwar years I don't think it was up to the challenge. Especially since the Poles had given the Brits the German Enigma naval code in 1936 or so. The allies knew all the sailing orders for the Kriegsmarine through out the war.

[Mattdamon07]

I disagree that the Luftwaffe was "easily beaten" It was a near thing. "Never have so many owed so much to so few"... etc

Sealion could never have succeeded without the neutralization of the Royal Navy. For all of the Kriegsmarine's innovations during the interwar years I don't think it was up to the challenge. Especially since the Poles had given the Brits the German Enigma naval code in 1936 or so. The allies knew all the sailing orders for the Kriegsmarine through out the war.

Seems like the allies were map hacking

[Dann88]

Cheaters always win but only real players enjoy the victory.

[Trooper425]

The Battle of Britain was full of close calls, and strange turns. The Luftwaffe started strong by attacking coastal radar sites and airbases. The initial bombing of London was accidental IIRC, but it continued nonetheless. Otto is right, the Luftwaffe was very close to finishing off the RAF when they halted operations.

However, a number of strategists and historians have looked at Operation Sealion and concluded that getting onto British soil was not the serious issue Germany faced. They could get onto Britain, but not in sufficient numbers. What little forces they did manage to land could not have lasted against a halfway decent British resistance, let alone a strong one. The technology of the time just wasn't sufficient to allow Germany to pull off such an operation.

[Jäger]

I continue to believe his biggest mistake was not allowing his generals to command, all the orders had to have been approved by him, another was the fact that had he taken out the RAF's airfields/airdomes instead of bombing London, he'd have been able to take out Britain in late '41 early '42.  The only thing Hitler could have done about Stalin is to build up an iron wall to the east, convince Japan not to attack the US and get the US to help in the war with the USSR. Hitler would have had nukes by '47 if that had happened, and the USSR would be seen as Nazi Germany is today, the 1000 year Reich could have still been around.

[Cranialwizard]

I continue to believe his biggest mistake was not allowing his generals to command, all the orders had to have been approved by him, another was the fact that had he taken out the RAF's airfields/airdomes instead of bombing London, he'd have been able to take out Britain in late '41 early '42.  The only thing Hitler could have done about Stalin is to build up an iron wall to the east, convince Japan not to attack the US and get the US to help in the war with the USSR. Hitler would have had nukes by '47 if that had happened, and the USSR would be seen as Nazi Germany is today, the 1000 year Reich could have still been around.

Public Opinion in the US would have never allowed that to happen. Though the US played it's Neutral card until Pearl Harbor, if anything, it would have never lended a hand to the Axis powers, they already had too much of a heavy investment economically in the Allies and culturally with the English.

Same way in WWI. Even if the US didn't code break the Zimmerman note, they still would have sided with the Allies unless attacked by one of them. They had much less economic ties to the Central Powers and did not share a common anything with them in all actuality.

[Riggsman]

The Battle of Britain was full of close calls, and strange turns. The Luftwaffe started strong by attacking coastal radar sites and airbases. The initial bombing of London was accidental IIRC, but it continued nonetheless. Otto is right, the Luftwaffe was very close to finishing off the RAF when they halted operations.

However, a number of strategists and historians have looked at Operation Sealion and concluded that getting onto British soil was not the serious issue Germany faced. They could get onto Britain, but not in sufficient numbers. What little forces they did manage to land could not have lasted against a halfway decent British resistance, let alone a strong one. The technology of the time just wasn't sufficient to allow Germany to pull off such an operation.

The reason behind the failure of Luftwaffe in Battle of Britain is simply; lack of strategic vision.

When Luft engaged the operation, they had the largest fleet ( 2500 planes ), they had the best bombing squads, zillion of good hunter pilots and technologically superior equipment. That figures gave Goering an overconfidence and couldn't decide what to destroy first. They wasted time by attacking convoys for 2 weeks, then to train stations ( why?), factories, coast defense emplacements and even to fishing shacks. Large manpower simply was wasted by lack of strategical planning.

Even RAF admits that if German Air force would focus on only the airports, none of the new produced Spitfires would have a chance to take off to engage the bombers so the Operation Sealion would be successful. However commanders didn't do that and they divided their forces to attack unnecessary targets.

More tragic thing about what kind of mind was behind this force is ; radar. Axis knew what is a radar but they completely misunderstood it's function. 1940 June when they ddetected the radar of British forces, instead of avoiding it they said "Oh it's good that they see us, so they can bring whatever they have so we can destroy all at once" Lol. Ofc RAF was not that idiot so acc to radar reports they always divided their hunter squadrons and harras the incoming enemy from diff points so the made Luft annoyed, stalled them in order to finish their fuel and run back before making huge damage.

So when the Luft becomes let's say "useless", they began Terror doct. Night bombings to industrial areas etc. but instead of strategical focusing, they again discussed the tactical aspects and couldn't make the necessary damage again. When they checked the intelligence reports saying that British industry is expanding despite the bombings, they simply got stunned.

Battle of Britain is the best example of self failure because of your enormous power. 

[Dreamerbg]

Didnt read nothing till now.
Just the Subject.

Here is my point of view - Russians build thanks that are easy to build faaster and in large numbers.
Americans did the same.

Germans dont do it that way. They try to invest much time in tehnology. And their thanks in 1v1 fights are better, but they lack in numbers and production.

Soviets (according some film I found somewhere) where down to 1 tank factory , but they produced so fast and so many tanks that Germans cant stop them.

I am not historican , so maybe I am wrong, but for now I believe that Germans didnt manage to produce enought numbers of their tanks and their 1,2, .... 100 or 1000 supertanks cant save their asses ... and they didnt.

[Pac-Fish]

IMO: Hitler's greatest ally in winning Germany was himself, and his greatest enemy when losing Germany was himself