1.501 Russia VS. PE

[Chancellor]

Joshua9, I would like to play a friendly 1v1 with you and see you prove your point about these Tank Hunters being so OP.  PM me please.

Can any of you broadcast this? 

I will post the replay.  Joshua9 can use the USSR and use those combinations that he thinks are overpowered, such as the Guards and Tank Hunters.  If these unit combinations are truly that overpowered against PE, it will clearly show in the replay.

This is not meant to be a hostile challenge btw, just a friendly 1v1 match to clarify the current balance.  Again, I don't believe Tank Hunters or Guards are OP against PE.  Only the Tank Riders ability was a problem, but that is being fixed.

[Killar]

Nonsense imo because these units are adjusted already

[Chancellor]

Why in fucks name would you adjust a unit that there is nothing wrong with.  Tank Hunters are fine.  If you nerf them anymore USSR will have to eat shit versus Wehr T3.

[Killar]

Only little changes that improve their performance

[Chancellor]

They don't deserve a performance buff either.  IMO they were perfectly fine.  If you buff them they will be too strong now...  WTF did you guys do?

[Killar]

You did get me wrong. It was only adjusted. Didn´t want to make a spoiler here like said earlier. They are fine now.

[Cranialwizard]

Something was addressed to adjust their combat vs t3 PE and wehr

[SnappingTurtle]

Spoiler? It's not a plot twist. What's to spoil?

[Blackbishop]

Let me see, it spoils part of the changelog contents for the new patch. That's enough for me .

[Chancellor]

Something was addressed to adjust their combat vs t3 PE and wehr

WTF is so wrong with TH vs PE T3 right now?  ACs vs TH are fine.  You either kite with the AC or the TH kill you.  ACs have the range to kite, and TH have the firepower to kill ACs that don't.  Its plain, simple, and worked perfectly fine...

[Killar]

It was not because of the T3 PE   

[Joshua9]

I find acs to be fairly effective actually, especially given the point where they can enter the game against russia.  The games i've won have revolved around the 2 ketten to ac start, and the mp44 infantry to handle the inevitable tank hunters, which will be popping up at best, right when the acs hit the field. 

This is all that seems to work though, and that's a predictable direction to go in every single game.  Other strategies tend to yield slightly better or oscilating map control, but not enough to put the nail in russias coffin.  The problem is that this is not a stalemate, this is a win for the soviet faction, because as the game progresses it is russia that hits critical mass.  2 guards and a command squad, 3 or 4 lingering conscripts, 2 t34's, 4 or 5 upgraded tank hunters...

one of the things my friend does is to wait on that command squad, and I think this limits the impact of an early pe rush to cutoff.  If I could shoot at his major, I could keep 250 manpower off the field. Insead I get swarmed with conscripts, and killing 7 men is not significantly better than him killing 2 of mine.  Eventually I have to leave to reinforce...when I come back his cutoffs are defended with what must equal to british mg nests for range.  Yeah, this slows down his tech...if my vehicle effectiveness didn't plateu against russia by mid game, this wiould be a win for me.
Post Merge: September 16, 2011, 12:36:15 AM

as to your friendly challenge Yauz, I would like to play you.  I'm not the one playing as russia in my games right now so I'll have to figure out what he's doing and try to recreate it in top-notch form, and if nothing else this may give me some tips on how to approach Russia from a player that is better than myself, though until I attempt to implement those against my buddy who has been evenly matched with me for years, I would be hesitent to say simply because you kicked my butt, that you have the right of it. 

It is significantly a matter of ease of implementation, and using those russian units is just plain easy by comparisson.

my game name is josh9, we'll have to find a time that works.

[Chancellor]

as to your friendly challenge Yauz, I would like to play you.  I'm not the one playing as russia in my games right now so I'll have to figure out what he's doing and try to recreate it in top-notch form, and if nothing else this may give me some tips on how to approach Russia from a player that is better than myself, though until I attempt to implement those against my buddy who has been evenly matched with me for years, I would be hesitent to say simply because you kicked my butt, that you have the right of it. 

It is significantly a matter of ease of implementation, and using those russian units is just plain easy by comparisson.

my game name is josh9, we'll have to find a time that works.

I've added you right now.  Hell, I can even play your buddy whos been beating you with Russians if you want.  If I win him with PE, then perhaps you can analyze the replay.

My in-game name is SublimeYauz ofc.  I'm in-game right now, and will probably be on for the next hour or so.

[Joshua9]

I'm at work,

heh.."working"

and won't be free to play until Saturday probably

[donthateme]

russian tankhunters are totally OP vs all PE vehicles and wehr t3/t4... as PE its nearly impossible to build vehicles vs TH-spam... this crazy tank-hunter inf kills an ostwind vet1 or PE panzer IV with skirts (both anti-inf-tanks!!! lol!) instant it seems... the problem on that is, that PE grens have serious problems killing this fuXing anti-tank-inf... it seems they have superman armor... its just ridiculous...