Valentine

[DrRockzo1986]

OMFG its NOT A HEAVY TANK. 

Lets compare it to a MEDIUM tank, the M4 Sherman
The Val gun is half as big, the Val itself is half as heavy overall, and the speed should be on par, and the armor slightly weaker.

Where are you guys getting this Heavy Tank BS from?

[Blackbishop]

Well, I don't know too much about tanks, so if our historian says that is a heavy tank...

About CoH not being faithful about stats ingame and real life, well, that might be considered. IMO if its not a heavy and can nerfed appropriately and Zerstörer (the father of RMC, wants it) why not .

EDIT: Just read that is based on the A10 chassis, and that model is a heavy tank.

[Cranialwizard]

Well, I don't know too much about tanks, so if our historian says that is a heavy tank...

About CoH not being faithful about stats ingame and real life, well, that might be considered. IMO if its not a heavy and can nerfed appropriately and Zerstörer (the father of RMC, wants it) why not .

If you want another Tank in T2 then devs have to accept our changes or RMC will be truly broken...sorry to be blunt but that's the way it practically is.

[DrRockzo1986]

Yes do that. Im absolutly sure it can be realisticly nerfed to meet the specs needed. I whole heartedly feel that this tank is perfect for the role

@Cranial, in all honesty I feel that the Field support truck is T3 for the RMC because of the cost and the whole SAS glider literally being T2, but I wont argue about that its not important

[Pac-Fish]

Time for the Valentine to get hit by: the Nerf bat

[DrRockzo1986]

Time for the Valentine to get hit by: the Nerf bat

LOl thanks I needed some comic relief

[Pac-Fish]

Time for the Valentine to get hit by: the Nerf bat

LOl thanks I needed some comic relief

LOL NP ^^

[DrRockzo1986]

EDIT: Just read that is based on the A10 chassis, and that model is a heavy tank.

Well considering British dont use the Light Medium Heavy tank designation IDK how you can classify it this way. The only thing you should be doing is comparing it to other tanks to get an accurate designation

Try to compare it to other Medium and Heavy tanks and you'll see it doesnt come close
Post Merge: September 06, 2011, 09:49:11 PMActually since some of you guys are opposed to this I want someone to tell me in what aspect is this tank too OP for the position. Do this for me and Ill tell you how you can fix it .

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

I dont understand how it would be excessive its gun is only 40mm which is only 3mm bigger than the Stuart, but also only weighs 2 tons more, and is only slighty slower. I dont exactly think that qualifies it as a heavy tank. It seems to have had several engines used so Im not sure how fast it was.

3mm didnt tell very much about the strengh of the canon
The english 2prd gun (your 40mm) wasnt good. Bad armour penetrating data. No HE rounds.
Next point: The Valentine had a 65mm front armour. Thats i quiet heavy for a 1940 design tank.
About the qualification; Well. U are right. Heavy is a problem but all in all english tank classification is different. England used cruiser and infantry tanks. This classification cant be find anywhere else.
So it is quiet heavy to classify these tanks.

Compared to the Stag the gun is 3mm bigger, the tank is 2 tons heavier, but is slower with slightly more armour

Same like the Stuart gun; 3mm isnt the important point

Personally I think It could easily take over the role. In addition this was the UKs most produced tank of the war you cant tell me it wasnt used on the Western front in combat.

Well. I can tell u that is wasnt used on western front. Neither 1940 nor 1944. Valentine saw combat in Africa and a small number in Italy. In 1943 Valentine was replaced with Churchill and Sherman tanks

[DrRockzo1986]

as far as participation I know you said thats how it is, but I have a hard time believing they had thousands of Valentines sitting around and didnt use them. But if they didnt, they didnt we wont have it then

[GodlikeDennis]

@DrRockzo1986
Looks like the Valentine is not going to be on EF, as it's a heavy tank it cannot take the place of the Stag. Its like if you want to replace PE armoured car with the Pz. IV IST.

Or like replacing a P4 with a Hotchkiss. Insanity!

It doesn't belong with the Soviets. RMC T3 does have a space though.

[DrRockzo1986]

Lol then use the Matilda II but then again It probably wasnt used on the western front

[Ryxxen]

The Matilda II was used on the western front. 

[DrRockzo1986]

Well then there you got your tank for T3, now if you can only find a role for it.

[GodlikeDennis]

The problem with putting a tank in that spot is that it somewhat invalidates Churchills even more than they already are. A slow, infantry tank is all we can really put there too, so RMC T3 doesn't become much better than T4. An M3 Halftrack is something that could fit in that tier though but Brits won't just get a copy/paste of that.