Valentine

[DrRockzo1986]

I was wondering if the devs (when they get a chance of course) might be willing to consider replacing the Staghound of the RMC with an early Mark Valentine tank. Not as a option like the Comet but as a permanent replacement light tank.

Dont comment if all you're going to say is "why", I want one thats why!

[Blackbishop]

I like it . Now you mention it @DMz has plans to release that tank for the Community Project. Probably we will add it. Nice suggestion @DrRockzo1986.

[Pac-Fish]

Did the Valentine see action on the west front Im just curious. I know it saw action on the eastern front

[DrRockzo1986]

@fishhunterx It was mostly in North Afrika, but Im sure it saw plenty of action on all fronts since it was in service till the end of the war

@Blackbishop right on man

I was going to suggest a Matilda but I couldnt think of what it would replace

[Seeme]

Matilda has strong amour and weak gun, so it would best fit replacing the Churchill.

[Desert_Fox]

@fishhunterx It was mostly in North Afrika, but Im sure it saw plenty of action on all fronts since it was in service till the end of the war

Yes, with Lend-Lease Program it saw action also on the EF.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Matilda has strong amour and weak gun, so it would best fit replacing the Churchill.

The Valentine is a heavy tank, too - okay... a heavy armoured infantry tank. So it is a stupid replacement for a small and fast recon weapon like the Staghound.

About combat records:
Valentines were at the wester front from 1944 till 1945.
BUT!!! not in a combat role. A number of Valentines were
reconstruction as pioneer respectively as armoured vehicle launched bridge [Brückenlegepanzer xD].

[Blackbishop]

I didn't know that the valentine was a heavy tank .

Well in that case the Valentine could not replace the Stag as Rommel said.

[BurroDiablo]

Inclusion of the Valentine to replace the Staghound would be excessive. If we include the Valentine it's only realistic role would be with the Soviets as some kind of LL vehicle... but since the Soviets have enough stuff as it is, the inclusion of a Valentine tank is doubtful, doesn't matter how much 'You want one'

[DrRockzo1986]

I dont understand how it would be excessive its gun is only 40mm which is only 3mm bigger than the Stuart, but also only weighs 2 tons more, and is only slighty slower. I dont exactly think that qualifies it as a heavy tank. It seems to have had several engines used so Im not sure how fast it was.

Compared to the Stag the gun is 3mm bigger, the tank is 2 tons heavier, but is slower with slightly more armour

Personally I think It could easily take over the role. In addition this was the UKs most produced tank of the war you cant tell me it wasnt used on the Western front in combat.

[cephalos]

Stag is armoured car. Valentine is a tank. It's huge difference mate

[DrRockzo1986]

Stag is armoured car. Valentine is a tank. It's huge difference mate

Maybe in real life where you can just shoot out tires on an armoured car but in CoH you literaly cant tell the difference especially if their armour and armament are so much alike

[Blackbishop]

@DrRockzo1986
Looks like the Valentine is not going to be on EF, as it's a heavy tank it cannot take the place of the Stag. Its like if you want to replace PE armoured car with the Pz. IV IST.

[DrRockzo1986]

Aw come BB you goin to let these guy fill you head with BS like that, I posted a perfectly legit argument a couple of posts ago that I doubt anybody even bothered to read. The just of it was Its not a heavy tank its stats are on par with the Stag except speed but who needs a fast recon when you have all the SAS recon units.

OMG Im goin insane this is such a home run and nobody even wants to consider it

[Pac-Fish]

Even if he Valentine ws a heavy tank maybe we could just change up its stats a little so that even though it was a heavy tank (apparently. I never knew that) it would still be a good replacement. COH stats don't have to EXACTLY match up with the historical accuracy of a unit.

In comparison to the Stag it would cost more, be slower. But heaver gun, more armor, and maybe make it vunerable to gunfire alittle, like the Churchill(A Flak 20 and a puma managed to suck a good portion of my health out.)