T70 / T90

[irik]

Yes, but unless the player's a beginner, there's no way a cpu stug can kill their T70. What should I do if I make a stug and come across a T70 that circle strafes? I think backing it away and surprising it with at guns might work, but I think I'll just have a stug behind enough so it can't circle strafe both. But who's going to build a stug iv against soviets?

[Pac-Fish]

I thought Ostheer has StuG III

[irik]

They do, but no Heer player will build a Stug Iv against soviets. They tend to go for Panzer IV or Panther.

[Chancellor]

All things considered, and with proper micro, StuG can kill a T70 75% of the time.  However, StuGs are useless vs the T34 / KV series, and so are Panzer IVs.  The only feasible vehicles to buy when facing Russians is the Panther / Tiger / KT.  Anything else is investing free CP / XP for your opponent.

[Pac-Fish]

Why PV IV? They have rotating turrent and are okay with vet

[Cranialwizard]

Why PV IV? They have rotating turrent and are okay with vet

The P4 is a good all-around tank with the capability to engage both tanks like the T34 along with good splash damage against infantry, even more so than the ostwind.

[irik]

Will the person that improves the ai improve the ai tank micro? It's as horrible as crap.

[Chancellor]

Why PV IV? They have rotating turrent and are okay with vet

The P4 is a good all-around tank with the capability to engage both tanks like the T34 along with good splash damage against infantry, even more so than the ostwind.

The reason I said P4 is because versus anything heavy duty such as the T34/85 or either KVs, it becomes useless.  Its not like versus the USA where P4 can handle anything they have in their Tank Depot.  You really need to buy a Panther purely for security's sake.  If you invested 80 FU in a P4 and then T34-85s comes knocking, you're fucked.

[Pac-Fish]

Unless you have 2 paks ^^

[Chancellor]

When you get up to the higher levels of play, PAKs are still good, but they aren't going to cut it.  They act more like an anti-tank tampon.  They will try to prevent you from bleeding too much manpower to tanks, but the fuckers will eventually have snipers and artillery on horn waiting to hunt your PAKs.

[Killar]

The reason I said P4 is because versus anything heavy duty such as the T34/85 or either KVs, it becomes useless.  Its not like versus the USA where P4 can handle anything they have in their Tank Depot.  You really need to buy a Panther purely for security's sake.  If you invested 80 FU in a P4 and then T34-85s comes knocking, you're fucked.

Reason is t34 was OP vs P4.
Its always better to go straigt for a panther but if you dont have the ressources or need a tank instant ,P4 should deal with T34/76 and all below that.
However to go for P4 with full vet and skipping panther is always fail. Next comes t34/85 which laughs at your p4.

P4 in summary fits better in fighting US.

[Pac-Fish]

Vet 3 PV 4 really cant beat a T-34 1 on 1? Wows sviet armor is tough . Wait till Ostheer comes . But doesn't Ostheer have weaker panzers . Wont soviets OP them?

[irik]

Two Panzer IVs on Vet 2 can defeat IS 2, provided micro on the panzer ivs can be used to its best.

[Killar]

I think you got me wrong. panzerIV can deal with t34, but will get problems with 85mm cannon.

Wasting ressources to get vet on your p4 you should build a panther instead

[donthateme]

Two Panzer IVs on Vet 2 can defeat IS 2, provided micro on the panzer ivs can be used to its best.

heh? u played it vs comp? i dont think 2 pz4 even with vet3 and pro skilled flanking wont be a match for IS2 (unvetted)... i think that conter tanks with (only) tanks is not that good idea... at-gun is still the hard-conter vs tanks...