T70 / T90

[AllRoundGoodEgg]

So the T70 is marked as being good vs light vehicles, the T90 as being good vs light vehicles and infantry. Yet the T90 is cheaper (marginally).

I seem to remember the T90 was widely derided as useless in previous iterations of EF - how do the two stack up in 1.5?

As a matter of fact, is there anywhere a guide that lists out the stats for each unit and vehicle in 1.5 (or at least a summary of all the main stats)?

[GodlikeDennis]

T90 has very similar weapon stats to the PE AC. In fact, it's basically the same weapon. The T70 is better vs vehicles but worse against infantry. The T90 has actually been rather OP for most of EF's history and has been one of the hardest units to balance. It's had its gun redesigned many times.

[Dot.Shadow]

In my opinion the T90 is too weak now, but I could be wrong.

[AllRoundGoodEgg]

That's pretty interesting stuff. I've played (in previous versions) with the T90 a lot, but seem to recall it getting a lot of negative comments on the forums compared with the T70.

I look forward to putting both through their paces in 1.5!

[Pac-Fish]

Does anyone know if either tank was changed in 1.5? I prefer the T70 anywho b/c it can defend against both armor and infantry. T90 can only defend against infantry but better.

[Cranialwizard]

Does anyone know if either tank was changed in 1.5? I prefer the T70 anywho b/c it can defend against both armor and infantry. T90 can only defend against infantry but better.

T-90 is godlike against light vehicles like the AC and Puma, not sure if it does so greatly against a Marder while flanking but can definitely win against Pumas.

[Pac-Fish]

I never knew that . I guess the obvious choice then is T90

[Cranialwizard]

I never knew that . I guess the obvious choice then is T90

Not quite. The T-70 can burst through the Marder and can certainly circle stugs with a greater chance of winning rather than a T-90

[Dot.Shadow]

No way a T-90 can take down a Puma. You must be thinking of the T-70.

[Blackbishop]

Perhaps @Cranialwizard meant to say "unupgunned Puma" aka sdkfz 234.

Also I'm glad to hear T-90 doesn't kill a Puma in 1.5 because in 1.4 it would.

[Cranialwizard]

Perhaps @Cranialwizard meant to say "unupgunned Puma" aka sdkfz 234.

Also I'm glad to hear T-90 doesn't kill a Puma in 1.5 because in 1.4 it would.

T-90 still kills a Un-Upgunned Puma in a match up. Puma does damage but the better hull is more resilient than the Puma's armor is to the T-90s outfit. With a couple rear-armor shots the Puma can gain the upperhand but on the same token if it takes some rear-armor hits it will go down even faster.

No way a T-90 can take down a Puma. You must be thinking of the T-70.

Don't question me. Try it yourself

[Blackbishop]

Of course it will kill an "Un-upgunned Puma" you said it always won against Pumas so I tweak it a little bit and now Puma has more chances to win against the T90.

Because for me:
Un-upgunned Puma = Sdkfz. 234/1, uses 20mm gun
Puma = Upgunned variant, Sdkfz. 234/2

I tested the T-90 vs Pumas in 1.40 and I didn't need to shot Pumas in the rear to have better chances to kill them, at the front will suffice. I never tested agains sdkfz. 234 because that wasn't mentioned at all.

But that is just a misunderstand on both parts and if the T-90 should get a nerf against sdkfz. 234 I think we are at good time to discuss it.

@Dot.Shadow
I wouldn't say it's weaker . IMO it still shreds infantry pretty well.

[Dot.Shadow]

Just did a pure test game, and it damn well beat the puma flat down.

I must say I am surprised and impressed.

[AllRoundGoodEgg]

So if the T90 rocks, why pay more for a T70 and lose the anti-infantry into the bargain? Just trying to see what arguments there are for going the T70 route if the T90 takes out everything up to a Stug IV?

Trying to figure my Soviet strategies and working each unit into a game plan so I know if my enemy does X I should do Y... but what would X be to get me to build a T70?

[GodlikeDennis]

T70 is better against units in buildings and has a better chance of gibbing full squads (usually weapon crews or PGs) than the T90 which is more of a steady, easy to predict flow of damage. It's actually not intended that the T90 is so effective vs light armour and it will probably be toned down at some point. T70 also has a detection radius for stealth unit hunting and is the only unit apart from the CS in the Soviet faction to have this. T70 can actually damage heavy tanks too. I played a game the other day where my 2 T70s and 2 SU-85s beat 2 Panthers and a small PG blob multiple times by microing.