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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2011, 06:45:44 PM »
The reason the upgrade to light tanks wont be removed as of now is due to the fact you can immediatley build Tank Hall. With other factions you can not do that. Instead you must tech up slowly and steadily, while in the process spending huge amounts of fuel. For the soviets it can be argued they have access to vehicles FASTER.

Also the upgrade to at infantry and mortars will not be removed b/c of balance. The soviet infantry buildings cost no fuel and are easy to get. Instead, the upgrade cost fuel, which basically gives all factions a fair start. However with soviets you can pick which units you want to upgrade to, giving you more diversity.

As for the CPU, well its not perfect but EF tries :P. At least the EF CPU uses abilites.

I suggest you try different strategies due to the Soviets unique nature and build style :D. Dont forget to use thee armory as well :P

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2011, 07:33:14 PM »
Yes but I repeat, it is not possible that EXPERT CPU loses vs EASY CPU.
If you do a Skirmish vs Russian, is too easy to win, they do a lot of infantry and they lose...

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2011, 07:45:31 PM »
yes and we repeat skirmish games dosnt shows the balance of the game! if you want it more balanced and get opponents on more or less same skill you need to play it vs humans!



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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2011, 07:51:49 PM »
The problem of call-in unit spamming CPUs will be fixed with 1.5.

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2011, 10:06:36 PM »
Unfortunetly AI isn't perfect. For example British send trucks straight to the front, resulting in their immediate death :(. The soviets have alot of weak but numerous units, whch differs from Wher or PE. This is probably why the soviets are losing more. 1 mg can pin numerous infantry down and the AI isn't too smart about flanking. And in any prolonged AI game Axis are sure to win due to the number of heavy tanks at their disposial. Hope that clears up any problems or concerns.

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2011, 12:21:10 AM »
I've played a match with my friend to try the new patch of the game, there is no problem with the SU faction this time. Maybe a KVs must have a lower cost, one Panther eats 2 KV1 and one KV85, and KV tanks are do not crush hedges. The Dev team took a long and good work balancing since 1.0.  8) Good old times, when the sniper ace was like Chuck Norris.  ;D :D

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2011, 01:06:07 AM »
That sounds fun XD. When sniper ace reaches vet 3 he get roundhouse kick :P

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2011, 01:27:14 AM »
there is no problem with the SU faction this time. Maybe a KVs must have a lower cost, one Panther eats 2 KV1 and one KV85, and KV tanks are do not crush hedges.
KV-85 costs 500MP. Why should it win with a Panther? Want a Panther killer? Get an IS-2. Same MP cost as a Panther.
KV-1 is better in every way than a Churchill. It will win vs a Stug or a PzIV anytime.

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2011, 01:34:42 AM »
there is no problem with the SU faction this time. Maybe a KVs must have a lower cost, one Panther eats 2 KV1 and one KV85, and KV tanks are do not crush hedges.
KV-85 costs 500MP. Why should it win with a Panther? Want a Panther killer? Get an IS-2. Same MP cost as a Panther.
KV-1 is better in every way than a Churchill. It will win vs a Stug or a PzIV anytime.
Some situation you can't afford that. If it was like the M10 it would be more usefull. It is different when you philosophe on something, or you actually use it on the battlefield. If I could afford one more KV I could push back that nasty Panther, If it was the US M10 would took care of this situation. Newermind, let the balance team decide what should change.

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2011, 07:24:58 AM »

 * As far as I know, PE Mortar take 20 fuel, 40 fuel (60 fuel) for
 first Mortar. Then 40 fuel for each more (60 fuel, 100 fuel).
 * As far as I know, Wehr Mortar take (200 mp, 220 mp, 25 fuel)
 420 mp, 25 fuel! Gasp! BEfore you can start making them :)

 Comparatively, Soviet mortars cost 200+120+35fuel
 (320MP+35fuel)... before you can make them.

 So far, soviet seems cheap mortar-wise.
 The cheapest are the americans, at 15 fuel :D
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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »
I would have just a serious suggestion to advance:
Give us a engineer team at the start, like the all other CoH factions.
That resolve the weaknees russian start...
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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2011, 11:38:44 PM »
I don't think that will fix anything. Instead we will need to adjust more stuff because could be OP. Soviet soldiers will come earlier than intended.

All other factions have engineers at the start? I don't think so, PE has kettens and CW has Infantry sections. Every faction has it's own qualities so soviets are not going to have starting unit.

No retreat and no vet were a bad decision, not having starting unit not.
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Re: I don\'t like Soviet Army...
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2011, 11:52:47 PM »
Hi, Blackbishop!
Well... kettens or Infantry has better than nothing.
Sometimes I'm disheartened to start a EF party because I'm sur that I will have a lot of pain in the begginings...
But I never, really never, make a unit to die; I allways retreat before, because my trip is take care of my units and to make them veterans...
Now I think that a great deal to the russians would be to give at ZIS 2 a stealth ability... That would be great...
Thank you man for your attention,
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Post Merge: August 26, 2011, 12:50:13 AM
OK, BB!
It's all right...
I've just playied EF patch 1.5.1 and it's perfect now... Every thing is all right!!!
I will be insistent in the AT gun stealth ability suggestion.
Thanks,
P.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 12:50:13 AM by Pajeu »

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2011, 01:41:53 AM »
Hello, I'm newbie here,and I understand that my words has not much influence here buy now.
Neverless, i dont like that I couldn't recruit T-34 tanks in Motor Pool , first of all.
And the second - it would be greate to "upgrate" Soviet motor pool.How ? First,for example,you can build T-34,KV-1 ,T-60 tanks & Su-85.But .efter some upgrate ( lets say in will cost 700 points of fuel and 150 point of ammo) ,player could make T-34-85,IS-2 and SU-100 ( existing after pool upgrate Su-85 could be upgrate with 100mm cannon )

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Re: I don't like Soviet Army...
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2011, 04:02:51 AM »
Hello, I'm newbie here,and I understand that my words has not much influence here buy now.
Neverless, i dont like that I couldn't recruit T-34 tanks in Motor Pool , first of all.
And the second - it would be greate to "upgrate" Soviet motor pool.How ? First,for example,you can build T-34,KV-1 ,T-60 tanks & Su-85.But .efter some upgrate ( lets say in will cost 700 points of fuel and 150 point of ammo) ,player could make T-34-85,IS-2 and SU-100 ( existing after pool upgrate Su-85 could be upgrate with 100mm cannon )

700 FUEL POINTS?!

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