I don't like Soviet Army...

[cl3v3r]

I played this game, at start it looked good, but then playing it got very frustrating. Soviet got a lot of unuseful infantry units, and they always got killed easily by germans. And if you want to take mortars and antitanks, you must upgrade spending fuel and manpower. It is not fair, and the engeers are very slow to make MG nests...
And there are a lot of tanks, as the other armies have only 3-4 tanks.
I think is better removing some tipes of tanks, or putting some tanks in Propaganda doctrine, some in Armored Assualt, and some in Urban War doctrine.
I looked that in short-medium time games, soviets can't win, but in long times they can win (with the powerful tanks).
But the main problem is the Soviet CPU.
Soviet CPU isn't good and the units lots of times stuck in the bridges.
And I also tried playing a 3vs3, with 3 EXPERT SOVIET CPUS, and 3 GERMAN EASY CPUS, and the Germans won.
What is your opinion about my suggestions? 

[GodlikeDennis]

In an effort to be civil, I won't answer what I think of your suggestions...

If you have issues with the AI, post in the AI thread. Your suggestions on Soviet design are... rejected...

[Killar]

In an effort to be civil, I won't answer what I think of your suggestions...

If you have issues with the AI, post in the AI thread. Your suggestions on Soviet design are... rejected...

Dammit and i was in the middle of writing a long responding to the post 

[cl3v3r]

In an effort to be civil, I won't answer what I think of your suggestions...

If you have issues with the AI, post in the AI thread. Your suggestions on Soviet design are... rejected...

You should know that other armies have only 3-4 tanks. So why put 50 tanks in the Tank Depot?
The better is do tanks categories and put them in the 3 doctrines...
The Urban war can have light tanks, the Armored assault can have heavy tanks like KV-2, Is2. ecc...

[GodlikeDennis]

Actually the entire depot is a combination of T3 and T4 equivalents for the other factions.

Light tankovy compared to Wehr:
T90 - Puma
T70 - Upgunned Puma
SU-85 - StuG IV

Heavy tankovy gives only the T-34s/KVs remember, so Wehr T4 actually provides 3 tanks whereas Soviet T4 only gives 1 plus an upgunned version (equivalent of upgunning Shermans).

The IS-2 is like the Panther Battlegroup of PE since it requires all previous research from all previous buildings.

[cephalos]

Actually the entire depot is a combination of T3 and T4 equivalents for the other factions.

Light tankovy compared to Wehr:
T90 - Puma
T70 - Upgunned Puma
SU-85 - StuG IV

Heavy tankovy gives only the T-34s/KVs remember, so Wehr T4 actually provides 3 tanks whereas Soviet T4 only gives 1 plus an upgunned version (equivalent of upgunning Shermans).

The IS-2 is like the Panther Battlegroup of PE since it requires all previous research from all previous buildings.

in other words: Wehrmacht has more units that SU has.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

@Dennis: +1

In an effort to be civil, I won't answer what I think of your suggestions...

If you have issues with the AI, post in the AI thread. Your suggestions on Soviet design are... rejected...

You should know that other armies have only 3-4 tanks. So why put 50 tanks in the Tank Depot?
The better is do tanks categories and put them in the 3 doctrines...
The Urban war can have light tanks, the Armored assault can have heavy tanks like KV-2, Is2. ecc...

That's the design of the Soviet faction and no major changes will be done to them unless a unit is severely broken. If EF would make the Russian Tank Hall just like the other faction's tank depots, it would be boring. Soviets offer a big array of different strategies, choose your strategy and leave out all the other units you don't need for them.
The other way round, people would complain about Soviets having too few units.

[Cranialwizard]

I smell a troll thread.

[Alexander 'ApeMen' J.]

I smell a troll thread.

maybe we smell red´s 2nd acc

but as dennis said
soviet t3 is like usa, wehr and pe´s t3 and t4
thats the reason nothing more and nothing less...

and soviets had also not 50 tanks 
and of which senless units you are talking about?
i couldnt say that we have a real senless unit in there... btw i cant realy belive that 3 expert soviets were beaten by 2 easy cpu´s... ok it depends also on the map. ai dosent work right on every map...

[Cranialwizard]

I read the word "Bridge" and "CPU" and "MG nest" and stopped reading.

[Killar]

I smell a troll thread.

maybe we smell red´s 2nd acc

Could be. The argumentation is not to come to a conclusion but only complain.

[BurroDiablo]

I played this game, at start it looked good, but then playing it got very frustrating. Soviet got a lot of unuseful infantry units, and they always got killed easily by germans.

That's kinda the point. Soviets have weak but plentiful infantry units of varying skills and abilities. Which units do you find 'unuseful'?

And if you want to take mortars and antitanks, you must upgrade spending fuel and manpower. It is not fair, and the engeers are very slow to make MG nests...

The Wehrmacht much also upgrade to construct these things. I don't know anybody else who has a problem with the MG nest build speed.

And there are a lot of tanks, as the other armies have only 3-4 tanks.

As Dennis already correctly pointed out, Soviet skip Tier 3 so all their Vehicles are consolidated into 1 buildings. They have no more vehicles than the Wehrmacht.

I think is better removing some tipes of tanks, or putting some tanks in Propaganda doctrine, some in Armored Assualt, and some in Urban War doctrine.

Uh, no. If you're going to complain about how weak the Soviets are, don't come up with suggestions that would make them even weaker.

I looked that in short-medium time games, soviets can't win, but in long times they can win (with the powerful tanks).

Soviets aren't supposed to steamroll their opponents, that would be highly unbalanced.

But the main problem is the Soviet CPU. Soviet CPU isn't good and the units lots of times stuck in the bridges.

That's not a problem with the AI, that's a problem with bridge maps.

And I also tried playing a 3vs3, with 3 EXPERT SOVIET CPUS, and 3 GERMAN EASY CPUS, and the Germans won.

You mean 2 Expert AI's? Otherwise that would have been a 7 player game. I might have to try this out because with your '50 Tanks' in the Tank Hall, I have a slight suspicion you may be exaggerating just a little.

What is your opinion about my suggestions? 

I have a higher opinion of the poo in my colon.

[Blackbishop]

Soviets are different to all the other factions, you will get used to it. In fact there are many units being very imbalanced in the current version.

Guards, Sturmovies, Molotovs, Navals... but looks like you don't know how to play EF yet. I would say you should give it time and read some posts on the strategy section and watch some replays on the replay section to know better how to use soviets before start asking for a redesign.

[cl3v3r]

Saying that this post is a troll, isn't good for listen players suggestions.
I'm making a general suggestion of Soviet Army.
Yeah, you are right, there are light vehicles, and heavy vehicles (I wronged in this suggestion).
But can you remove the Upgrade for take the vehicles?
At least remove the item for take Light Vehicles.
And also for taking mortars, and Antitanks.
But the real problem is the Soviet Cpu.
It sucks.
If you want I send you videos, of Expert Soviet Cpu losing vs Easy - Normal Wermacht Cpu.

[Blackbishop]

So, do you want to get mortars/tank hunters, at guns/sniper teams and tanks right off the bat ?

Do you realize soviet buildings are very cheap?

We do not take balance advices based on Skirmishes, and how could be possible than 1 Soviet CPU lose agains a Wehr one and you noticed? it would be a 2vs2(or 1vs2 ) not 1vs1.

I you want to enjoy fights against soviets you should play more PvP games and not rely on CPU fights.

Btw, we say you are trolling because it's a rule of thumb that Skirmishes are just for fun and do not take part of the balancing process; although your suggestions aren't too good either.