Favorite Military Leader...

[Dann88]

What I read from Otto, some of it is not in Wiki, that's cool but poor for him, another ill-fated general like Hannibal. But did Zhuge Liang after attack Wei 7 times, he sucked dry the treasury and later his successor Jiang Wei failed to defended lead to later Han dynasty's downfall?

[Otto Halfhand]

What I read from Otto, some of it is not in Wiki, that's cool but poor for him, another ill-fated general like Hannibal. But did Zhuge Liang after attack Wei 7 times, he sucked dry the treasury and later his successor Jiang Wei failed to defended lead to later Han dynasty's downfall?

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your Wikipedia.

I use many references for my posts. Plutarch's Lives was used for Pyrrhus. Plutarch was a wonderful historian but makes for tedious reading. In English the Dryden translation is the "best of rotten apples".The Longzhong Plan was a strategic plan developed by Zhuge Liang to secure of a viable regional base in southern China, followed by a two-pronged attack to conquer the Wei. It has been heavily criticized by Chinese Scholars for centuries. Not all Strategies work.The "The Empty Fort Strategy" cited was very risky. When all is said and done Zhuge Liang attacked Wei many more then seven times. The treasury issue is subject for a debate on administrative skills. Liu Bei and later his son should be considered responsible for the down fall of Shu-Han. Not all of the Later Han's leaders were as able as Zhuge Liang or Chang Fei.[/]

[]These aren't military leaders due to the fact they didnt lead an official state military but they deserve honorable mention for their leadership at the Battle of the Little Bighorn.*Sitting Bull*Crazy Horse*Chief GallPpl outside the US may not know what Im talking about. As Ive said before anyone who can boast a victory against the US gets major points in my book.+1[/]

[]During the First American Revolution There was no official state. Various Indian groups were considered Nations, and the USA negotiated treaties with many. Give Crazy Horse and Gall their due. Sitting Bull was not a warrior. He was a Peace Chief.

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... -Shi Huang Di (Despite the fact most ppl know him as a ruler, he had to conquer the whole of China first. And he was the first to implement "shocktroopers")

Can you elaborate on the Shocktroopers citation?

[DrRockzo1986]

Lol sorry I couldnt remeber who led the battle for the Native Americans

[Dann88]

@ Otto213: Can you show me more source about generals, taticcians and strategists, please This is my most drawback, I only have wikipedia as the main source.

[RedGuard]

+1 Native Americans!!!! woo woo woo woo woo woo woo

[Otto Halfhand]

Hello Tovarich!

@Stavka88: try these links. I will modify this post occasionally.
http://ancienthistory.about.com
http://militaryhistory.about.com/
http://www.ww2talk.com
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/general.htm

[Pac-Fish]

@Otto213: I was watching the history channel  . And they said he used fast strike troops to rush and stun they enemy before heavy infantry(with more armor and weapons) came in to help.

[Otto Halfhand]

Hans Ulrich Rudel - Panzer Ace

Hans-Ulrich Rudel was a Stuka pilot during World War II and a "dyed in the wool" Nazi until his death in 1982. He commanded the oldest and the best known Stuka Group - Schlachtgeschwader 2 Immelmann. He was the most highly decorated German serviceman of the war. Joseph Stalin himself put a price of 100,000 rubles on his head.

In 1936, he joined the Luftwaffe. Rudel had difficulty learning the new techniques and was considered unsuitable for combat flying. During the Polish Campaign he flew (as an observer) on long-range reconnaissance missions. Rudel earned the Iron Cross 2nd Class on 11 October 1939. After a number of requests he was reassigned to dive bombers. He spent the Battle of Britain and the invasion of Crete  in non-combat roles. He was still regarded as a poor pilot! On June 23, 1941 he flew his first combat dive-bombing mission. On July 18, 1941, Rudel was awarded Iron Cross 1st Class. September 23, 1941, Rudel sank the Soviet Battleship "Marat". (It was later raised and served as a floating battery).

December 24, 1941, Rudel flew his 500th mission and was awarded the German Cross in Gold.  Rudel was sent to Graz to lecture and train new Stuka crews. On January 15 1942, he was awarded with Knights Cross and returned to the Eastern Front in June of 1942.
In September of 1942, while operating in the Stalingrad area Rudel received the command of a squadron. It was often sent to attack Soviet tank units, even when inadequacy of bombs against tanks was realized. He helped test the Ju-87 G-1, Panzerknacker. On the first day of the Operation Citadel, during his first mission, Rudel knocked out four Soviet tanks and by the evening, his score had grown to twelve. Rudel developed new tactics for Tank Destroyer Squadrons. He found that the best way to knock out tanks was to hit them in the back or the side. Attacking the back of the tank meant that the plane had to come from the rear flying towards friendly territory - a great advantage if the plane got damaged during the attack.

On January 1, 1945, Rudel was awarded the Knights Cross with Golden Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds, being the only recipient of this award specially created for him. In February of 1945, Rudel was seriously wounded and his right thigh was shattered by anti-aircraft fire, He managed to land and was taken to the field hospital, where his leg was amputated. Rudel had an artificial limb fitted and then returned to his squadron. He continued flying combat missions until the end of the war. Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 1000 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, a destroyer, two cruisers, one battleship, 70 landing craft, 4 armored trains, several bridges and 11 aircraft, (which he personally shot down). Rudel thought that the Lend-Lease American tanks were easier to kill than the Soviet T-34s, but he hated their machine guns, because he was shotdown by one.

His Memoirs: Stuka Pilot are worth reading.

[stealthattack1]

i know this topic was probably dead a long time ago, but i still want to post,
chesty puller. the dude was a frickin' boss! he was the most decorated marine in US history, and here are some of his quotes- "They are in front of us, behind us, and we are flanked on both sides by an enemy that outnumbers us 29:1. They can't get away from us now!"
-"We're surrounded. That simplifies our problem of getting to these people and killing them." just look up some of his war stories and you wil agree with me. http://www.badassoftheweek.com/puller.html

[Otto Halfhand]

Hi TigerClaw,

I'm back. Hope you're well. I was discharged from PT on friday from a bungled surgery last june to restore functionality to my left hand. I went in with one disfunctional finger and now have 3 disfunctional fingers on that hand. Talk about depressing; I was for 6 months. I'm thinking of changing my Username to Otto_Halfhand!

Last Friday March 23, 2012 marked the 150th Anniversary the start of the Valley Campaign. So I thought I might amplify on my original post. Valley Campaign battles have been embolded

My favorite military leader is Thomas J.Jackson. Irish American, West Point, Class of 42(46?). His Valley Campaign of 1862 is still required reading there. During the Valley Campaign created a detour for over 100,000 men of the Army of the Potomac  on the Road to Richmond for four months. - Not even PADOT can do that!

Battles: Vera Cruz, Mexico City, Chapultepec-"the Halls of Montezuma", John Brown's Execution, Bull Run, Romney, Kernstown, McDowell, Franklin, Front Royal, Winchester, Cross Keys, Port Republic, Mechanicsville, Gaines Mill, Savage's Station, White Oak Swamp, Malvern Hill, Cedar Mountain, Second Manassas, Harper's Ferry, Antietam, Fredricksburg, Chancellorsville.

The most promoted American Soldier during the "War to Steal California from the Mexicans".
 
Advocated "Shooting the brave ones", Foot Cavalry and arming his men with 12 Ft long pikes, (Sarissa's -See Alexander the Great).

"Fool Tom", "Old Jack", "Robert E Lee's Hammer", "Lee's Right Arm", "Old Blue Light", "Stonewall".

A Presbyterian Deacon he believed in "keeping holy the Sabbath". He started many of his battles on a Sunday.

Final Words "Let us cross over the river, and rest under the shade of the trees... Send Forward A.P.Hill"

The Battle of Kernstown 3.23.1862 was fought on a Sunday. The "Stonewall Division" ~3,600 strong Launched a poorly coordinated attack on the right flank of Shield's division ~ 12,000 strong, (probably 8000 were engaged). In order to do so a double time march of about a mile in length was required this approach was mostly uphill. The object of this maneuver was to turn the well placed 6 gun Federal artillery battery - Battery B, 4th US regulars on Pritchards Hill. Jackson's  Rockbridge Battery of 8 cast iron 6 lbrs from the Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond. Jackson's battery set up in a marshy meadow, only to find they were out ranged. They limbered up found the range and set up again. They were in the open under fire the entire time. The carnage was incredible. Jackson's attack was continued. It might have suceeded, (doubtfull), when a well timed attack from Tyler's Brigade stopped Jackson cold. Jackson fought on until dark and retreated, (read as routed). It was the only battle Jackson ever lost. I'm proud to say that two of the engaged Federal regiments that defeated Jackson were the 110 PA and 112 PA; now part of 28th Division PA-NG.mustering from my home region.

Jackson got the name Stonewall at the Battle of Bull Run. CSA General Bee while under heavy fire  saw Jackson's Brigade on his flank, standing there picking their noses. In exasperation Bee called out to his men "There stands Jackson like a stoe wall". Bee recieved a mortal wound minutes later.  So legends are born.

Jackson's final battle Chancellorsville 5.2.1863 also involved a flank march. This time he succeeded and routed the USA XI corps, effectively winning  the battle and saving R.E.Lee's greatly outnumbered Army of Northern Virginia to fight on for 23 more bitter months. Jackson was mortally wounded by friendly fire that evening while conducting a twilight recconnaisence.
 

[Fisher321]

Most definitely Erwin Rommel. (from Wikipedia)

Erwin Johannes Eugen Rommel  (15 November 1891 – 14 October 1944), popularly known as the Desert Fox (Wüstenfuchs), was a German Field Marshal of World War II. He won the respect of both his own troops and the enemies he fought.

He was a highly decorated officer in World War I, and was awarded the Pour le Mérite for his exploits on the Italian front. In World War II, he further distinguished himself as the commander of the 7th Panzer Division during the 1940 invasion of France. However, it was his leadership of German and Italian forces in the North African campaign that established the legend of the Desert Fox. He is considered to have been one of the most skilled commanders of desert warfare in the conflict. He later commanded the German forces opposing the Allied cross-channel invasion in Normandy.

As one of the few generals who consistently fought the Western Allies (he was never assigned to the Eastern Front), Rommel is regarded as having been a humane and professional officer. His Afrikakorps was never accused of war crimes. Soldiers captured during his Africa campaign were reported to have been treated humanely. Furthermore, he ignored orders to kill captured commandos, Jewish soldiers and civilians in all theaters of his command.

Late in the war, Rommel was linked to the conspiracy to kill Adolf Hitler. Because Rommel was widely renowned, Hitler chose to eliminate him quietly; in trade for assurances his family would be spared, Rommel agreed to commit suicide.

[stealthattack1]

Welcome to the forums! were very glad to have you here, and i hope you enjoy the mod!

as for  Erwin Rommel, i would agree. he's actually one German leader i can root for morally because of the attempted assassination of Hitler.

[Pac-Fish]

Welcome to the forums! were very glad to have you here, and i hope you enjoy the mod!
he's actually one German leader i can root for morally because of the attempted assassination of Hitler.

Well, that, and the fact he didn't abuse POWs and didn't excute people just because. IIRC he refused to kill any jews (although not sure)

[Mertypro]

Robert the bruce

[Fisher321]

Welcome to the forums! were very glad to have you here, and i hope you enjoy the mod!

as for  Erwin Rommel, i would agree. he's actually one German leader i can root for morally because of the attempted assassination of Hitler.

Thanks!

And he was anti-nazi as well, he only fought because he loved Germany..