Whats the dirty on Infantry AT weapons

[Otto Halfhand]

How do to various infantry squad AT weapons stack up?

Accuracy, Penetration, vet, Rear Attack penetration modifier.

WMshreks
PEshreks
panzerfaust
Piats
Bazookas
RR
PTRD
etc

[GodlikeDennis]

Rather than post all the stats which would take forever, I'll just post their relative strengths/weaknesses to each other.

Accuracy:
faust>PTRD>recoiless>WM/PEshrek>zook>PIAT

Fausts can't miss unless there's a rare anomaly. The rest have fairly similar accuracy. RRs have very low scatter which can translate into more accuracy. PIATs have to take into account the fact they're an indirect fire weapon which has to arc toward the target. This makes them rather inaccurate but gives them the unique ability to fire over shot blocking objects.

Damage:
WMshrek(120)>PIAT(90+extra vs heavies)>Zook(75+extra vs heavies)>PEshrek(105)>faust(75+extra vs heavies)>recoiless(62.5)>PTRD(30+extra vs heavies)

PIATs, PTRDs and zooks get great damage bonuses against P4s, Panthers and Tigers (1.5-1.6). Fausts get a similar but smaller bonus vs Allied tanks.

Penetration (on average):
faust>recoiless>WM/PEshrek>PTRD(same pen. as PIAT/zook but better deflection mod)>PIAT=zook

Faust has practically guaranteed penetration against almost all vehicles. Only IS-2/3s, Pershings and SU-85 with cage armour can deflect a faust. RRs have very high penetration, with 100% vs most vehicles/tanks and ~75% against Panthers/Skirted tanks. All weapons on the list deal 0.15 damage when they fail to penetrate except the PTRD which does 0.5 damage.

Fire rate:
PTRD>PIAT>WM/PEshrek=zook=recoiless>faust

PTRDs fire very quickly compared to the other options. Faust is obviously limited by the ability cooldown. The rest are practically equal with PIATs being slightly faster.

[pariah]

Any idea why the Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite Panzerschrecks have different stats? And how do you tell the difference between them when they are lying on the ground or have have been recovered?

[GodlikeDennis]

I don't think there is a way to tell the difference. They're different I assume because Relic thinks offensive vet on PGs makes up the deficit.

[cephalos]

WH veterancy doesn't increase the Grens/Storms firepower then?

[GodlikeDennis]

No. Wehr vet just gives health regen, elite armour and extra health for grens/storms at vet1/2/3 respectively.

[RedGuard]

schreks are the kings of AT

everything else are just its humble subjects

[Otto Halfhand]

Thanks guys!
Are there any penalties associated with picking up another factions ATs?

[pariah]

Don't think so. Aside from losing a weapon, or 2-3 squad members if it's a team-weapon, i'm pretty sure there aren't any penalties. But hey, free gun! Who could argue with that?

[GodlikeDennis]

I just found out that PE shreks that are dropped turn into Wehr shreks on the ground. PE shreks take up 4 weapon slots (PGs have 5) while WM shreks take up only 2. Therefore, a PE squad can pick up 2 of his dropped shreks but can only build 1 on himself.

[Otto Halfhand]

Verrry Interesting. It makes me think keeping an un-upgraded vetted PG available to pick up those WM/Shreks. What a 68 damage bonus/recovered WM/Shrek?  And the possibility of obtaining 4 of them! Sounds like a balance issue to me. Perhaps a little tweek to change the PE shrek to a Shrek(b) might be in order. VCoH rules not withstanding.

A question comes to mind. The "call-in the Vets" option available in OF campaigns allow a Vet.x squad to be equipped with 1 or 2 shreks and or MG42s. If a PEShrek occupies 4 weapon slots, how does this work?

[GodlikeDennis]

The veteran units in the campaign are those you have leveled yourself in the previous mission I believe. So in that mission you may have picked up some shreks from the ground which are ALWAYS WM shreks. In any case, PGs can get multiple shreks as well if they go Tank Hunter doctrine. I assume the double AT efforts unlock changes PE shreks to only occupy 2 slots.

I'm not sure what you mean by getting 4 shreks on a squad. You can still only get a maximum of 2 because PG squads (number of men is irrelevant) have 5 weapon slots. They can however, attain 4-5 bazookas or BARs since they only take up 1 weapon slot each.

[Otto Halfhand]

I'm not sure what you mean by getting 4 shreks on a squad. You can still only get a maximum of 2 because PG squads (number of men is irrelevant) have 5 weapon slots. They can however, attain 4-5 bazookas or BARs since they only take up 1 weapon slot each.

There was a screen shot in one of the posts showing a VG squad with 4 Bazookas and a one man Amis Bazooka in ! retreat.  .

I just found out that PE shreks that are dropped turn into Wehr shreks on the ground. PE shreks take up 4 weapon slots (PGs have 5) while WM shreks take up only 2. Therefore, a PE squad can pick up 2 of his dropped shreks but can only build 1 on himself.

Again referring to OF Vets is it safe to assume an MG42 occupies only one weapons slot?

How many weapon slots do Sov weapons upgrades take up? Thanks.

A team play tactic/exploit occurs to me. Arm a WM Gren w/2shreks. Support with an un-upgraded PG to pick-up dropped shrecks. IIRC when Grens are reinforced they are resupplied with 2 shreks?

[GodlikeDennis]

There are different types of "heavy weapon" in this game. Heavy weapons like MP44s or Thompsons must be upgraded on the squad and still take up weapon slots, but they cannot be dropped and are reinforced with the squad. Other types, such as Shreks or DP-28s take up weapon slots, are droppable and cannot be reinforced onto the squad. Once dropped, a weapon is removed from the squad loadout.

LMG42s take up 2 weapon slots like shreks. The only droppable heavy weapons that take up 1 slot are BARs, bazookas, Brens and DP-28s (AFAIK). I'm only assuming DP-28s take 1 weapon slot because they're based on the Bren.

I don't know for sure but this is my guess for Soviet heavy weapons:
Minesweeper          2
Flamethrower         2
DP-28 (both kinds) 1
PPSh (both kinds)   1
PPS-43                  1
PTRD                     2
Guard SVT             1
SVT sniper             1

Sniper rifles are counted as heavy weapons for whatever reason. The others take up 4 slots so I guess the Sov one does too. EDIT: I think it actually only takes 1.

[pariah]

There was a screen shot in one of the posts showing a VG squad with 4 Bazookas and a one man Amis Bazooka in ! retreat.  .

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