Does Panzer elit really represents waffen ss?

[pariah]

You're still a National Socialist, man. You still support that ideology by going to war and fighting for it.

[Red_Stinger]

You're still a National Socialist, man. You still support that ideology by going to war and fighting for it.

Or you just dont have the choice, because you and your family are threatened. You aren't obliged to commit war crime though.

Finland for instance. They were IIIR allies, but they weren't nazis at all. Enemy of my enemy is my ally.

Finland's non-belligerance is a myth. Finns executed a lot of people, and let much of their remaining prisonner (civil or soldier) starve to death. Moreover, their was a high number of finnish volunteers in the SS (more than its commonly accepted today, even in a liberal country like Finland). And even Finnish "ultimate" goals weren't too far from nazi ideology: razing St-Petersburg, and starve/deport all slavian population from the Greater Finland area.

Still, it doesn't mean that every finn is a convinced nazi, but people who present Finland like an angel fighting against the evil commie (not you Cephalos! you are at least rather objective) make me laugh 


About topic , I think we should listen to LordRommel ^^
My opinion is that PE could represent SS, but also element of the Heer. But as Relic never really answered this question, we are going to debate this for a long time I suppose !

[pariah]

The idea that you are forced to go to war is, quite honestly, idiotic.

Back on topic, though, i think you are right; The Panzer Elite isn't likely based on anything specific in history. I still wonder what it has to do with the Afrika Korps, though...

[Sommarkatze]

-Children Children..! (volksgrenadiers squad leader voice!)

What did I say in the first post. No argumenting over nazis or SS or wehrmacht and all that. Hell, Some of you even seem to be discussing geografic? XD

Its about the PE. And thanks everybody for the info!
I dont know though what to believe myself. I think I will go with COHwikis ;P

So, Now I got my ansver. You cute boys continue your debats, its fun as hell to read XD

[pariah]

"Stop touching me!"

Well, if somebody could please clear up this whole Panzer Elite/Afrika Korps thing, it would be much appreciated...

[Sommarkatze]

Now when you say it Pariah its actually quite intreesting to found out where this Afrika korps rumours is coming from XD

-looks like we are up for a mystery Scoob!

Where did it start? Did somebody say - Well, PE are former Afrika korps units.
I dont know. Discuss! <3

[pariah]

As you could probably tell by the second post in this topic, i figured this had something to do with it:
Sabaton - Ghost Division Video [nofollow]
I don't know shit about history, but i think this is about Rommels Afrika Korps. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

[Sommarkatze]

Now I see. I think you are mixing up that part Blackbishop mention about Rommel.
He was refering to that Rommel was a teacher.

Or did my detective work got fuckd up big time here? XD
 ( fuck you LA NOIRE! FUCK YOU.)

and no. That video is about Operation Barbarrosa. The invasion of Soviet ^^ I think, I didnt listen to the music sorry XD I just got my new Perfume cd and was rocking that out ;>
 ( Yes. the japanese girl pop band.)

[pariah]

Barbarossa, ey? How did you find that out?

[Sommarkatze]

Well the little bit of the song I actually heard was the invasion has begun XD And In the video there are mostly tanks from that era.

[pariah]

The video doesn't matter - It's fan-made, so it doesn't necessarily fit the song perfectly.

Here's the lyrics:

Ghost Division Lyrics

Fast as the wind
The Invasion has begun
Shaking the ground
With a force of 1000 guns

First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Tanks leading the way
Leading the way

Charging the lines with a force of a furious storm
Fast as the lightning phantom's swarm
200 miles at nightfall taken within a day
Thus earning their name, earning their fame

They are the Panzer Elite
Born to compete
Never retreat
(Ghost Division)
Living or dead
Always ahead
Fed by your dread

Always ahead as the Blitzkrieg rages on
Breaking morale with the sound of blazing guns

First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Tanks leading the way
Leading the way

Leaving a trail of destruction through a foreign land (Waging war with conviction)
Massive assault to serve the Nazi plan (Wehrmacht's pride ghost division)
Communication's broken
Panzers are far away
Thus earning their name, earning their fame

They are the Panzer Elite
Bound to compete
Never retreat
(Ghost Division)
Living or dead
Always ahead
Fed by your dread

Pushing the frontline forth with a tremendous force (far ahead, breaks resistance)
Crushing the way for Panzer Corps (shows no fear, self-subsistence)
First in the line of fire
First into hostile land
Tanks leading the way
Claiming the fame

They are the Panzer Elite
Bound to compete
Never retreat
(Ghost Division)
Living or dead
Always ahead
Fed by your dread

Panzer Elite
Bound to compete
Never retreat
(Ghost Division)
Living or dead
Always ahead
Fed by your dread

[Sommarkatze]

Hmm. I really dont know. But I would say yes. Its for Operation Barberossa.

[pariah]

Well, maybe the famous historian Lord Rommel can clear this up...

[Tico_1990]

The Ghost division was the name given to Erwin Rommel's panzer division during the invasion of France. They moved so fast that even German high command didn't always know where Rommel was, hence the name "Ghost division".
As for what the panzer elite represents, given the missions that you fight with it, I'd go with what has been said earlier in the thread, they represent the forces who are defending the Netherlands (specifically, the area of Market Garden, so that would be the Eastern part, centred around Arnhem).

[pariah]

...But i thought general Rommel operated in Africa?