Does Panzer elit really represents waffen ss?

[Sommarkatze]

Okey. First of all. Skip the flamewar boys. This is just a question and if we are going to debate I want common sense and nice friendly tones to each other.

Thank you ! <3

We are not suppost to talk about if Wehrmacht was better than the SS or anything like that. We are not going to even mention the word fascist, nazi, commi or fag. I Just want to get it clear which one they are based one. XD

Now to the point. Where ever I go on the internet. I always see somebody saying that PE is the waffen SS but with a familyfriendly name :3 Now I want to get this clear. Is PE the Waffen SS?

I got some notes here.

* They call themself kampgruppe Lehr. There was a Panzer Lehr in the wehrmacht. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_Lehr_Division

*Hans Voss the commander of kampgruppe lehr is having SS insignias on his tabs. (Kind of farfetched.)

*They have the Hotschkiss panzer. I read somewhere about something like Rommels circus? A wehr unit in normandy mostly equipped with captured vechicles and stuff.

*The PE foot soldiers are all wearing camo. camo was much more common in the waffen ss than the wehr.

*They are called Panzer elit XD Everybody always seems to see the waffen SS as the elite of the third reich? ( We are not going to discuss that here.)

So. Entertain me fellow forum members! <3

[pariah]

Ghost Division.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

Anyone can answer this question at the moment.

Out of my view Kampfgruppe Lehr could be a mix out of the different Kampfgruppen that were positioned in the Netherlands. This Kampfgruppen were training units for new soldiers. This Kampfgruppen were bad equipped.
All in all they are - like Panzer elite - a mixed formation where u could everything and anything

BUT one point is clear: it isnt germanys elite division Panzer-Lehr

[Killar]

More interesting question is how got relic get the idea of implementing the bergetiger? Its still not clear if it was designed to recover damaged tanks at all

But this is another topic

[pariah]

Just to clarify, "lehr" means to teach, right?

[Blackbishop]

Just to clarify, "lehr" means to teach, right?

Yes , and lehrer means teacher, i wonder how many teachers were there, remember Rommel was(iirc).

[pariah]

Thought so. I always wondered if the Panzer Lehr was some kind of training regiment, or just a name...

Yeah, i know "lehrer" means "teacher". That's how i worked that out.

[RedGuard]

teachers of the nazi ideology! 

[pariah]

Yeah, i guess, but i think learning to fight is more important that learning what you're fighting for.

[Killar]

teachers of the nazi ideology! 

dont mix the wehrmacht with the political army which was the waffen SS

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

The word "Lehr" of the Kampfgruppe Lehr can mean "to teach" or it is the name of the commander.
Lot of this improvised "Kampfgruppen" were named by their commanding officer. Perhaps Relic had some names and perhaps they had changed or modified one of those names

[pariah]

Thanks for the info, mate. So is the Panzer Elite somehow related to the Afrika Korps?

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

The Panzer Elite faction, called the Kampfgruppe Lehr, draws its inspiration from the mish-mash of German units that opposed Operation Market Garden, including the 2nd SS Panzer Corps and Luftwaffe paratroopers.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_Heroes:_Opposing_Fronts

[pariah]

Cool, thanks for that, walki.

[vonklaus]

There is no way they are SS. They have almost all obsolete equipment compared to Wehr. They are just meant to be the German forces defending Holland.