Does Panzer elit really represents waffen ss?

[Chancellor]

Their dark purple in-game flag looks awfully similar to the actual SS one, and they actually do have better infantry equipment than Wehr, such as being able to equip each man with Mp44s.  I think they ARE SS, its just Relic was trying to be politically correct.

[Killar]

The weapons they r using arent especially for SS. Read what rommel wrote

[pariah]

Politically correct? No, i think they have something to do with the Afrika Korps... I don't think they are very related to the SS, except of course for the fact they are all National Socialists.

[vonklaus]

I always thought Strumtruppen were suppose to be SS infantry.

[pariah]

I don't think so. The Blitzkrieg Doctrine doesn't have much grounds in history, anyway.

[Gerrit 'Lord Rommel' G.]

There is no way they are SS. They have almost all obsolete equipment compared to Wehr. They are just meant to be the German forces defending Holland.

Well. The two SS-Division (9. und 10. SS-PzDivision) were badly equipped. Both divisions had fought in Normandy. Both division had high casualties- Both divisions had lost a lot of material and weapons. C. Ryan said that just most of the SPW (Schützenpanzerwagen - armoured halftracks) had survived the last battles. Most of the tanks and wheeled trucks were lost during the last battles. That e.g. the reason why both division got some Panzer III Ausf. J and N as reinforcement. So u cant talk about "well equipped SS-troops" when u talk about the 9. and 10. SS.-PzDiv. during Operation Market Garden.

[Tico_1990]

Pariah, not every member of the WM, and it's subdivisions are members of the Nazi part

There is no way they are SS. They have almost all obsolete equipment compared to Wehr. They are just meant to be the German forces defending Holland.

Like LordRommel said, by the time the SS were defending the Netherlands, they lost a good portion of their equipment.
Also, Market Garden did not fight in Holland, they fought in the Netherlands. Holland is a part of the Netherlands, and not the entire country. Just like England is not the same as Britain, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom, Holland is not the same as the Netherlands.

[pariah]

Pariah, not every member of the WM, and it's subdivisions are members of the Nazi part

Hmm, i'm no expert on that time period, but didn't everybody in the German military have to swear allegiance to Hitler?

[Red_Stinger]

Pariah, not every member of the WM, and it's subdivisions are members of the Nazi part

Hmm, i'm no expert on that time period, but didn't everybody in the German military have to swear allegiance to Hitler?

Probably, but that doesn't mean that they were real nazi!

[pariah]

Hmm, so if i was to pledge allegiance to Hitler right now, you wouldn't think of me as a Nazi? How does that work?

[cephalos]

Hmm, so if i was to pledge allegiance to Hitler right now, you wouldn't think of me as a Nazi? How does that work?

Finland for instance. They were IIIR allies, but they weren't nazis at all. Enemy of my enemy is my ally.

[Otto Halfhand]

What part of the Lowlands constitutes Holland? I am Pennsylvania Dutch, German, Alsatian and Holland Dutch. This is a necessary distinction in PA because all Colonists who spoke German languages were considered Dutch. Swedes and Swiss are included but Jews speaking Yiddish are not. Should I refer to myself a lowland Dutch or what?

[Tico_1990]

Holland are two provinces (north and south holland), they are two out of twelve provinces, Holland are the provinces in the west of the Netherlands.

[RedGuard]

yes every soldier in the wehrmacht had to swear allegiance to hitler, not just the SS

[Tico_1990]

yes every soldier in the wehrmacht had to swear allegiance to hitler, not just the SS

Again, pledging allegiance to Hitler did not make you a nazi party member.