EF_V2.1.* The 38T?

[RedGuard]

try it yourself you'll be amazed 

[pariah]

In my version, both tanks going toe-to-toe will barely do any damage to each others front armor.

[RedGuard]

I killed 2 stuarts yesterday with a stubby, so I dunno what version you're using if that even matters because there hasnt been any changes that effect this

does TD APCR apply to stubby?

[pariah]

Apparently there has... Maybe it was just pure fluke, and the rounds simply didn't penetrate/do significant damage, i dunno...

[Blackbishop]

Hotchkiss will always lose against a Pz. IV F1 because while the former is a light tank, the latter is a medium tank (or real tank whatever you prefer ).

Hotchkiss will never be as Strong armour-wise than the stubby.

Nope, APCR doesn't apply to stubbies.

[Paciat]

Hotchkiss is cheaper, faster and has 45 gun range while stubby has only 30 gun range - less than a bazooka! PzIVF1 shells do only 5% dmg when they bounce off too. With a little micro Hotchkiss would own a Stubby.

[Blackbishop]

Hotchkiss is cheaper, faster and has 45 gun range while stubby has only 30 gun range - less than a bazooka! PzIVF1 shells do only 5% dmg when they bounce off too. With a little micro Hotchkiss would own a Stubby.

I didn't mentioned micro because Pariah said this:

In my version, both tanks going toe-to-toe will barely do any damage to each others front armor.

[pariah]

No doubt the Stubby would win, because it's medium armor versus light armor, but both guns just do very little damage to front armor, so it will take ages. They're not designed to combat medium-heavy armor, after all.

[Paciat]

No doubt the Stubby would win, because it's medium armor versus light armor, but both guns just do very little damage to front armor, so it will take ages. They're not designed to combat medium-heavy armor, after all.

Hothkiss 50mm gun is designed to combat medium tanks. It does 75dmg, has 0.7296 pen. multiplier to PzIV armor and reloades faster (PzIV has 0.3971pen. to Stuart armor).
The fight would look like a Firefly with a vet 2 CCT support fighting a Tiger and would last ~60secs.

[pariah]

I was comparing the Stubby to the Stuart.

[Blackbishop]

No doubt the Stubby would win, because it's medium armor versus light armor, but both guns just do very little damage to front armor, so it will take ages. They're not designed to combat medium-heavy armor, after all.

Hothkiss 50mm gun is designed to combat medium tanks. It does 75dmg, has 0.7296 pen. multiplier to PzIV armor and reloades faster (PzIV has 0.3971pen. to Stuart armor).
The fight would look like a Firefly with a vet 2 CCT support fighting a Tiger and would last ~60secs.

I think i should not understimate the Hotchkiss... However I prefer my Pz. IV !!

[Paladin88]

Depends on the situation really. They both have their advantages over each other...

[GodlikeDennis]

I'm pretty sure the Hotchkiss upgunned has disproportionately good penetration against Pershings. I could be wrong though.

I actually really like this suggestion but for the fact that the 38t would have to be quite expensive, weak against infantry and/or quite vulnerable to small arms because you would have access to it after only 50FU. If it costed 45-50FU each then I guess that would be alright since total tech + purchase cost would be 95-100 compared to an M8 which can be on the field by 125FU. If the 38t was extremely bad against infantry and slow, but was much hardier and better against vehicles than the ATHT, I could actually see this working.

[Otto Halfhand]

@ Dev Team, I am gratified the 38T will make it into Ostheer. I would still like to see it as a reward for ATHT. If its good enough for Ostheer it should be good enough for PE.

@ GlD, I agree with you on the FP cost for the 38T. Its effectiveness against infantry should be better than most tanks w/o an MG mounted on the top of the turret, The swivel ball mounting allowed both radio man and gunner to aim their MGs independently of the direction the vehicles direction, (hence Focus Fire). How effective the MGs would be on the move of course be a matter of balance. Your comments regarding speed are incorrect. The 38T was marginally faster than the PzIII, Pz IV, and marginally slower than the T70. Head to Head the 38T would be eaten by any of the cited tanks firing AP. With micro and a side shot the Any of the above mentioned tanks can take any other....T34s and KV1s on the other hand... (hence the Tread Breaker/Barrel Burster). In the case of the abilities the 38T needs to be stationary to fire...balance.

@ y'all: The H39, (long barrel 37mm/SA18; 40-45mm f.a) will take a PzIVD, (35mm f.a); head to head (after a long time) and might take a PzIVF(50mm f.a.). However the H39 was capable of little more then half the speed  of the Stubby and should be micro'd to death.

@ Paciat, When you suggested PE had a light tank in the H35/39 I assume you were joking. 2-T70s can be produced in 83% of the time it takes to produce 2- H35s Including time to build Sov Infantry tent. (2-T34s can be produced in a slightly longer time). H39 also needs 50 muni upgrade for the "37mm LB", (consider time) to get Tank versus Tank capability. The 2 man H35/39 require 6 pop. T70-3 pop, T34-60 pop. If we assign a Cost of 300/45 to a 38T It would take the Sovs 96% of the time to produce 2-T70s as compared to 2-38Ts or roughly balanced time wise. (Infantry tent time again included).