EF_V2.1.* The 38T?

[Otto Halfhand]

It has been stated that the EFMod will only have 4 reward units, 1 for each of the vCoH factions. It has been stated that Wehrmacht will get an additional reward unit making  5. Thus far the Soviet faction has 3/(4) reward units And PE was given 2 rewards units. II wish to propose a third PE reward unit, in place of the ATHT, the Skoda 38TF.

The PE Faction was designed for use in vCoH_OF not EF. There is no light tank available to PE.  The neutral  unit in T4 is ATHT. It works in OF, but has demonstrated limitations against Sov Light Tankovy. What chance does it have against the T34/76 or reward KV1?
http://easternfront.org/forums/index.php?topic=6120.0;topicseen

The 38T, PzIII_D-H  and PzIV_D were the principle tanks used by the Wehrmacht until the Germans encountered the T34/76 and KVs. The only counter the Wehrmacht had was the Flak 36/88mm, (vCoH doctrinal call-in ). One tactic the PzIIIs and 38Ts used to halt the Sovs was to knock out the running gear . Another tactic was to disable the gun. Mantle shots proved ineffective but shooting holes in the barrel of enemy tanks worked! (See picture of KV1, Panzer Aces, Stackpole Books, p.91. Herman Bix's  account tells of his gunner holing the barrel of a T/34 three times in three consecutive shots!
 
Modeling notes:

• The chassis of the 38T was used for the Hetzer.
• The 38T_F  and PzIII_J are similar to animate. The principal differences being the 37mm/L47 main armament and 38T is slightly faster than PzIII.
• The effective range of the 37mm/L47 is 1500m, 35mm penetration at 500m, 24mm @ 1500m. The effective range cited for SdKfz 250/10 37mm is cited at 5484m but penetration is 28mm @500m.
• The 38Ts MGs were swivel ball mounts rather than fixed coaxial and were more effective against infantry/light vehicles than their German made counterparts.

Ability: Focus fire
Ability: Tread breaker.  Destroy main weapon critical at offensive vet1 or vet 2.
Disadvantages compared to ATHT: Slower speed. Lacks the insane range cited for ATHT.

These sites should prove helpful for modeling purposes:
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzerkampfwagen-38t.htm

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

I'm all for including Panzer 38 (t) with Eastern Front, though I don't see its place in the Panzer Elite. As stated many times before, it could either be a tank call-in for the Ostheers first doctrines foreign battlegroup or a reward unit for the Ostheer.

[Blackbishop]

Your suggestion is good but I think you are confused about the reward unit topic. When we said they will have only 4 reward units, we tried to say that we are going to add up to four in total (EF+vCoH), currently they already have Schwim, Hotchkiss, Jagdpanzer IV and Nashorn.

Not because we cannot add more but to avoid adding more stuff just for the sake of adding it. Perhaps that rule could be modified later, though. Only the time will tell.

Currently Panzer 38(t) is going to come with the foreign battlegroup call-in.

[Max 'DonXavi' von B.]

Currently Panzer 38(t) is going to come with the foreign battlegroup call-in.

I love you.

[Paciat]

There is no light tank available to PE.

You have the Hotchkiss.

[RedGuard]

^^that thing is garbage!

[Paciat]

^^that thing is garbage!

50mm version is far better than a Stuart.

[DrRockzo1986]

I agree the Hotchkiss is indeed garbage, but what can you do, unless you're willing to change an original swap out unit. I know you guys have to limit your swap outs but I love variety.

[RedGuard]

^^that thing is garbage!

50mm version is far better than a Stuart.

and comes far later, and requires an upgrade - and cant kill entire legions of infantry with a canister shot!

[pariah]

Hotchkiss is good for support with its Stuka upgrade, but the Stubby is better for direct fighting.

[RedGuard]

stubby kills stuart!

[pariah]

Well, maybe after a very long time.

[DrRockzo1986]

In the Hotchkiss' defense, with its long barrel upgrade it can take on any tank as long as you have two or more attacking the same tank or you are using alot of hit and run

[RedGuard]

Well, maybe after a very long time.

3-4 shots try it yourself - if shot misses the HE explosion still does tremendous damage
its actually better to miss than to bounce a shell

[pariah]

  No man, not even to the rear armor. Unless it's received some major buffs...