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[pariah]

Nah, the Teapot idea was better.

[WartyX]

Personally, I am very fond of the teapot idea.

I also have always liked the idea of a shotgun in CoH. I have pitched several similar ideas to the other EF devs and discussed with our historian. We couldn't find a way to make them awesome but still not overpowered. Making it a one-shot ability like the Stuart Canister Shot would mean it is used too little, but making it fire constantly without much damage makes you think "Well what's the point?"

I am determined to get a good idea for it one day though!

[pariah]

You could try a Sniper-like unit - It camouflages, sneaks in close, and blows people away in 1 shot! ...Yeah, it would indeed be pretty hard to balance them....

[Paladin88]

Shotgun is short ranged... so doesn't that mean you have to close in order to use it? You could maybe make it an ability which allows the unit to switch to the shotgun for a period of time then afterwards switch back to its default weapon. Personally I think the Shotgun would be a good choice for rangers but is it worth having over the thompson?

[DrRockzo1986]

Well SMGs are alot better up close but they still fire them from a distance, I would guess that shotguns would still be fired from a distance but it wouldnt be as effective like smgs. I could see the rangers using shotguns that would be interesting.

[Mr. Someguy]

Personally I've always wondered how a Trench Gun would work in CoH. I felt it'd be a cool thing to have, but was never sure what unit would get them, seeing as everything is already pretty solid.

As for balancing them, why don't you make the Trench Gun totally useless at Long, moderately useless at Medium, and utter rape at Close. It'll have a 5 or 6 round magazine, fire roughly one round a second, and have a 4 or 5 second reload time.

[Cranialwizard]

I thought this verdict was already decided.............. 

[pariah]

Ja. It would be nice, but i seriously doubt it will happen.

[Otto Halfhand]

The THompson submachine gun was designed specifically as a trench gun. IE to clear out a trench. It fires a .45 caliber bullet at 10-20 rps capable of emptying a 30 round stick clip in 1.5 to 3.0 seconds; a 50 round drum clip in 2.5 to 5 seconds. Its effective range is 160 ft. at point blank range it will enter the human body at about .5" diameter, (all little larger I am told, but I don't know why). If it doesn't fragment or tumble it will leave an exit wound at 3.5 to 4.0 inch diameter size. It is represented in vCoH.

A shot gun is capable of firing 2-3 .38 caliber buckshot at considerable lower exit velocity and rate of fire. A load of salt hurts like hell. If you wish to judge the effectiveness of a shotgun in action safely I suggest you attend a local turkey shoot. They are fun.

I recognize the cool factor but really this thread is going around in circles.

[Mr. Someguy]

I thought this verdict was already decided.............. 

Was it? My apologies then, I guess I missed it.

[pariah]

Yeah, it would be nice to have shotguns in Company Of Heroes, but there just doesn't seem to be a place for them.

[Seeme]

I always thought shotguns would be like the Stuart Shotgun Shells, but smaller.

[pariah]

And with far less chance involved.

[TheVolskinator]

Replying to the first page of posts;

The M1897 trenchgun was actually the less popular of two combat shotguns used by U.S. forces during both the first and second world wars. The M1897 was primarily used by the marines and Army Corp of Engineers specifically, whilst the other (name escapes me) was favored by the Army. Shotguns were largely overlooked in favor of submachine guns, though in special assault situations (usually in urban settings or trench clearing, hence the name 'trenchgun') the M1897 in particular was praised for its ease of use and devastating effect.

Europe in Ruins mod (which ,by the way @ the devs, might be interested in the use of some of your models and coding, including the ability to mount troops on tanks) has initiated a unit named 'Assault Engineers' for the US Armored company. They rape face. Even KCH get the crap blown out of them; the shotties resemble flamers in their ability to retain accuracy on the move and high damage output. They only fire when stationary, though. IMO, poor idea for EF, it really does mess up the vcoh balance.

[RedGuard]

^^omg allied units can actually kill axis units and get away with it in this mod and arent nerfed beyond recognition by angry wehr fanboys?!   

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