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pariah

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Re: Red army flame tanks?
« Reply #60 on: June 25, 2011, 04:02:27 PM »
Flames are better against elite armour remember.
...So how do you tell what armor any given infantry unit has? ???

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Re: Red army flame tanks?
« Reply #61 on: June 25, 2011, 04:48:54 PM »
Through just knowledge of the game or being able to use corsix. Ask me any unit in the game and I'll tell you its armour type. Brits and PE generally have soldier armour. Units that can take several sniper shots (KCH/Lts) have heroic armour. Rangers, most vet2/3 axis infantry, guards etc. have elite armour. Airborne have airborne, snipers have sniper armour duh... The rest usually have infantry armour.

Infantry armour is the basic armour type, with no modifiers generally. Soldier armour takes much less damage from enemy bullets, especially BARs and other special weapons. Elite armour takes less damage and is harder to hit than infantry armour. It takes more damage from flames and snipers cannot miss it, even while retreating. Heroic is like elite armour but takes much less damage from snipers. Airborne is like soldier, but additionally is harder to hit while the unit is moving.

Elite armour is one of the most important concepts in the Wehr/US matchup. Grenspam is so powerful because grens change their armour from infantry to elite at vet 2. This makes them take 25% less damage and are 25% harder to hit. Obviously this is a huge benefit. Against vetted grenspam, you have to use artillery, flamers, snipers and tanks to do real damage because riflemen are just too weak against the strong armour.
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Re: Red army flame tanks?
« Reply #62 on: June 25, 2011, 04:55:21 PM »
I don't have Corsix. It should be stated somewhere in the game and/or manual. Otherwise how the fuck are you supposed to figure this stuff out?

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Re: Red army flame tanks?
« Reply #63 on: June 25, 2011, 05:31:11 PM »
Mostly because the actual mechanics aren't usually that important to the average player. For instance, while I know that MP44s do full damage against all armour types because they have a flat 1 modifier for their damage against all of them, the average player will just think to themselves those stormies with MP44s are pretty good against rangers. Snipers are especially vulnerable to bikes and SMGs because of their armour type but most people will instinctively know this anyway.
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Re: Red army flame tanks?
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2011, 10:39:27 AM »
Mostly because the actual mechanics aren't usually that important to the average player. For instance, while I know that MP44s do full damage against all armour types because they have a flat 1 modifier for their damage against all of them, the average player will just think to themselves those stormies with MP44s are pretty good against rangers. Snipers are especially vulnerable to bikes and SMGs because of their armour type but most people will instinctively know this anyway.

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Re: Red army flame tanks?
« Reply #65 on: July 04, 2011, 11:06:14 AM »
grens change their armour from infantry to elite at vet 2.

 riflemen are just too weak against the strong armour.

also remember dont let rifle squads get to vet 2 or higher, if their vet3 then nothing, not even KCH or storms will stop them

it changes the whole complexion of the game you will have to tech, or you will be stuck usually on the losing end of infantry battles
« Last Edit: July 04, 2011, 11:07:45 AM by RedGuard »
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