Red army flame tanks?

[neosdark]

Guard I don't disagree that the croc is useless I use the 105 reward everytime however can I point out that it has a disabled main gun and what I'm suggesting is an upgrade for one of either tanks hull or coaxial mg to be replaced with a flamer not the construction of a new worthless tank. The us croc is useless yes doesnt mean the Russians does as well however

Amen, gents this describes it all, particularly the last sentence. Everyone says, "the Soviets won't be a copy of the Amis or Wehr", well if they have a working tank with Flamethrower, then they won't be coping the Croc in anyway, since it might just work and not be a 110 fuel chew toy.

Oh and have you ever tried Crocs vs. PE inf blobs? 2 or 3 do wonders especially in a nice closed off space.

[pariah]

I really think more than 1 Crocodile is major overkill...

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

Uh and now think they get vet O.o

[neosdark]

Well a proper PE blob has at least a few Schrecks so the second one for insurance if you lack the infantry for some support

[RedGuard]

Guard I don't disagree that the croc is useless I use the 105 reward everytime however can I point out that it has a disabled main gun and what I'm suggesting is an upgrade for one of either tanks hull or coaxial mg to be replaced with a flamer not the construction of a new worthless tank. The us croc is useless yes doesnt mean the Russians does as well however

coaxial is a good idea actually

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

coaxial is a good idea actually

2 PE schreck shots = down

[RedGuard]

^^versus t34? no, not even if they both pen

IIRC t34 was the only soviet tank to be fitted with a flame weapon anyone confirm/deny this?

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

I think T-34/85 also.

[Seeme]

It may of been the only one in Action, but the Soviet Union made lots of tank models with flamers.

[Walentin 'Walki' L.]

Then it would be historical accurate but it would kinda fuck up the balance because the only thing the soviets don't need are flamethrower tanks!

[neosdark]

As far as I have read there were T-34 with Flamers, T-34/85 with flamers, KV-1 with flamers (but with smaller 45mm gun), all of these were deployed on the battlefield at one point or another.They tried fitting flamers on BT-7s, and T-26 did have flamers, but since they aren't in game we won't discuss those last 2.

[Otto Halfhand]

Then it would be historical accurate but it would kinda fuck up the balance because the only thing the soviets don't need are flamethrower tanks!

+1

I don't usually like upgrading Engineer (or Pioneer) Flamethrowers, because the units are weak and only have a few squad members. I've got better things to spend 50 Munitions on.

+1

Posted by: pariah
The  Crocodile is a decent tank for killing infantry and buildings, but it  could certainly use some buffs, and maybe a Fuel cost reduction. It  makes more sense to me for the standard Sherman to cost more Fuel.

-1  A special should cost less for fuel than a standard assembly line Tank? A vehicle with a muni payload of 100-150 Ls of petrol too! 

[pariah]

Yes. A standard Sherman is good for general killing, so it should be dearer than a specialized anti-infantry and anti-armor tank. Although it's dearer than the Crocodile variant by 100 Manpower (i think), the Crocodile really should cost less Fuel, and maybe more Manpower. But that's just my opinion.

[GodlikeDennis]

The problem is that the Sherman is really good at killing infantry already, but can kite and do it at long range rather than enter optimum shrek range like the croc must. This is the main reason I use the Sherman 105 over the croc. It's also very effective against bunkers which will take crocs an age to bring down.

I think the idea of the croc costing loads of fuel is if you have a mostly infantry force but are having trouble breaking a grenspam. You don't have much MP to spare because you are so heavily focused on infantry but have loads of fuel spare. So you supposedly tech to these. Flames are better against elite armour remember.

[Otto Halfhand]

@GLD:
+1 mate. I have long believed every Faction should have one or two units available for a higher FP costs relative to MP costs. I have never been able to express the reasoniing as cogently as you have.