[1.4.0.0] Conscripts

[Blackbishop]

At vet 1 they have a 5% received dmg bonus, but i added that as place holder, they could have a 15~10% i guess .

Currently i'm not able to find a way to give them the capture weapon ability at any given time without crashing the game (it works, but when they get heavy fire coh crashes) XD.

The -5% received damage at vet1 seems OK at this point.

I have retrieved several weapons with Conscripts at vet1. They frequently don't make it back to a reinforce point but I've not had a crash because the squad is eliminated. I sorta think when you lose a squad that is heavy fire.

Oh, that only happens with my current conscripts so don't worry about it.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

And they STILL supress grenadiers when focus firing. Seriously, please reduce the supression to Volks/Riflemen values. It's ridiculous how a bunch of guys with 4 rifles and 224 can supress wehr/pe t1 units.

[Blackbishop]

And they STILL supress grenadiers when focus firing. Seriously, please reduce the supression to Volks/Riflemen values. It's ridiculous how a bunch of guys with 4 rifles and 224 can supress wehr/pe t1 units.

They already have the half of the suppression values of those units.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

And they STILL supress grenadiers when focus firing. Seriously, please reduce the supression to Volks/Riflemen values. It's ridiculous how a bunch of guys with 4 rifles and 224 can supress wehr/pe t1 units.

They already have the half of the suppression values of those units.

Then I don't understand why they still supress :/
Does that have to do with nearby supression modifiers maybe? Or with the supression modifiers from command squad/ingenery?

[Blackbishop]

And they STILL supress grenadiers when focus firing. Seriously, please reduce the supression to Volks/Riflemen values. It's ridiculous how a bunch of guys with 4 rifles and 224 can supress wehr/pe t1 units.

They already have the half of the suppression values of those units.

Then I don't understand why they still supress :/
Does that have to do with nearby supression modifiers maybe? Or with the supression modifiers from command squad/ingenery?

I don't think so . I've made a test without commissar and they still suppressed a pioneer squad.

Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong part, i'm looking at the suppression table located on the weapon file.

[Hendrik 'DarcReaver' S.]

[quote author=blackbishop link=topic=5959.msg73350#msg73350
I don't think so . I've made a test without commissar and they still suppressed a pioneer squad.

Perhaps I'm looking at the wrong part, i'm looking at the suppression table located on the weapon file.
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Strange. Have you changed every value? Like nearby supression value etc?
http://dow2.info/coh/Weapon_Wehrmacht_Kar98K_Elite.html
That's an example for the supression tables of the Gren Kar98k. Maybe it helps. Dunno though.

[Blackbishop]

This is the current suppression table of conscript and engies rifles:
   
L    0.003
M    0.002    
S    0.0005    
Nearby Supp. Multiplier    0.1    
Nearby Supp. Radius          10


Suppression values for Grens:   
L    0.006
M    0.004    
S    0.001    
Nearby Supp. Multiplier    0.1    
Nearby Supp. Radius          10

[GodlikeDennis]

Suppression modifier for target types?

[Blackbishop]

Suppression modifier for target types?

Yeah, i forgot about those.

[Killar]

At vet3 the conscipts are unsuppressable, right?

Why not give the squad the commissar with PPS at vet3? He takes care that no soldier runs away

Vet1: recrew
Vet2: every soldier gets gun
Vet3: unsuppressable by commissar

The molotovs stays an independent upgrade (and will be hopefully nerved in the next patch)

[Blackbishop]

At vet3 the conscipts are unsuppressable, right?

Why not give the squad the commissar with PPS at vet3? He takes care that no soldier runs away

Vet1: recrew
Vet2: every soldier gets gun
Vet3: unsuppressable by commissar

The molotovs stays an independent upgrade (and will be hopefully nerved in the next patch)

That's the idea ... but it's the same reason that is keep us from add capture at vet2 that doesn't allow to add a commissar at vet3.

Hopefully conscripts suppression bug is now fixed.

[Killar]

When i remember correctly the Landsers should get a officer too as upgrade

[Dot.Shadow]

I've changed my mind. The conscripts are as they are, with the exception of the vet requirements.

[Blackbishop]

When i remember correctly the Landsers should get a officer too as upgrade

Nope, it's not the same, not even similar.

You got a 5 man squad, and the upgrade grants the squad leader a  MP40 and grenades, that's all. No change needed.

The Conscript upgrade will require a different soldier, in this case the commissar that is a total different entity than a conscript. Hence not possible.

[Otto Halfhand]

When i remember correctly the Landsers should get a officer too as upgrade

Nope, it's not the same, not even similar.

You got a 5 man squad, and the upgrade grants the squad leader a  MP40 and grenades, that's all. No change needed.

The Conscript upgrade will require a different soldier, in this case the commissar that is a total different entity than a conscript. Hence not possible.

If I understand correctly, You have a 7 man squad, and the upgrade grants the squad leader aka commissar, a pistol or smg, still a 7 man squad, thats all; no change needed?