Why were Russian trenches removed in 1.4?

[Hopit]

I'd like to get the trenches back, they fit red army perfectly.

[RedGuard]

It would be nice, I never used them anyway im more of a mobile agressor type. but I dont think we'll see them back

[Desert_Fox]

I'd like to get the trenches back, they fit red army perfectly.

For nothing...trenches encourage bad gameplay.

[Dzierzan]

I'd like to get the trenches back, they fit red army perfectly.

Probably, you were using them to "camp", weren't you? If you like trenchs, go to CW (brits) .

[Mr.ious.Q]

Uh guys instead of the trenches, you can make the soviet troops to build more simple thing like fox hole.

[Desert_Fox]

Uh guys instead of the trenches, you can make the soviet troops to build more simple thing like fox hole.

But the concept it's the same, camping troops in heavy cover.

[RedGuard]

everyone camps cover its like a part of gameplay - even factions with no trenches, wehr are the worst campers everything goes in cover and then the bunkers MGs mortars and paks come
with brits spanking everyone I think it made the trenches kind of became a target for liquidation

 ashame though cause a lot of players got used to them and fell in love with their trenches.

although I didnt see many good SU players use the trenches much except to rush/abuse with them so that contributed to their downfall as well

[Mr.ious.Q]

So if trenches are not available for building, you can use the fire base to shoot a hole and lay you troops down there- it's easier 

[GodlikeDennis]

No good gameplay can come of trenches. Wehr are at least vulnerable to arty and snipers while they camp in heavy cover. Trenches provide complete or partial protection for both. They also leave you unable to move which makes for completely undynamic gameplay. Even in an extreme campy Wehr strat, units move around in battle, use nades etc. Trenches just sit your units in them and are basically invincible against most things and extremely vulnerable to a few things. There is no moving or abilites usage because you a) can't and b) don't need to.

[Desert_Fox]

No good gameplay can come of trenches. Wehr are at least vulnerable to arty and snipers while they camp in heavy cover. Trenches provide complete or partial protection for both. They also leave you unable to move which makes for completely undynamic gameplay. Even in an extreme campy Wehr strat, units move around in battle, use nades etc. Trenches just sit your units in them and are basically invincible against most things and extremely vulnerable to a few things. There is no moving or abilites usage because you a) can't and b) don't need to.

That's exactly what I mean.

[Seeme]

I would think adding a Manpower cost would help reduce abuse with trenches. But I guess if you camp you get a lot of Resources.

[pariah]

Um, no. Camping means you are cut off from most territories, meaning you get less resources. That combined with the ludicrous Brit prices, means you don't stand a chance against a competent player...

[Desert_Fox]

Why always revive this old thread?

No trenches for russians!

[pariah]

No Trenches for Brits either, preferably.

[Otto Halfhand]

I'm surprised there is so much talk of bad game play vis a vis Trenches. Once your Ingenery finish their basic building; (they really are weak in front line combat); have them build an outpost about a third of the way up the map on a high resource or strategic choke point; Trenches in support range of OP. Barbed wire, road blocks and mines, Med truck to retreat and reinforce conscripts as your Line infantry comes into play. Oh yeah I almost forgot the whole point of the exercise is to protect the Firebase you back it up with.  "Queen of Battle", very Soviet. Nice place for a Strategic Reserve when there are trenches. Otherwise you need an MG nest or Strelky with DPs in the outpost.


OT Regarding NI
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2011»,
                                                                                      

Just move 'em up the tree (swap with the "Red  Tide") - problem solved - they just cannot be OP for 4/5 CP, call-in,  can they?

+3, I would change Red Tide to 3CP,NI to 1CP...                   

SVTs are just a skin (it's guards' mosins by stats), one PTRD  is pathetic - just remove it, but let the upgrade bring AT nades with  longer cool-down than that of guards'

  Seems to me Molotovs are good against Light vehicles. Immobilize 'em and Hit 'em with the PTRD.