Why were Russian trenches removed in 1.4?

[Jakeman]

The Russian trench was the single reason I went propaganda. Without it, I don't think the Naval infantry are worth it when I can have tanks. The trenches were the only thing that kept the Germans back and without my infantry sustaining massive casualties. Could you bring them back as a reward unit or an upgrade?

[GodlikeDennis]

Trenches were removed because they're lame, don't fit with Russian playstyle and promote bad gameplay. I will do my best to make sure they NEVER return.

[Desert_Fox]

Trenches were removed because they're lame, don't fit with Russian playstyle and promote bad gameplay. I will do my best to make sure they NEVER return.

I too! 

[Dot.Shadow]

Trenches are kind of a british thing anyway. I'm not entirely happy with the Naval Infantry as a trade off though. They're too similar to the Partizans, and they're not that good anyway.

[RedGuard]

Trenches are kind of a british thing anyway. I'm not entirely happy with the Naval Infantry as a trade off though. They're too similar to the Partizans, and they're not that good anyway.

Naval Infantry would be a great unit if there reinforce cost was set at 35 IMO

way too high for basically a stop gap unit, strelky put them to shame in damage output

[IJoe]

Trenches are kind of a british thing anyway. I'm not entirely happy with the Naval Infantry as a trade off though. They're too similar to the Partizans, and they're not that good anyway.

Naval Infantry would be a great unit if there reinforce cost was set at 35 IMO

way too high for basically a stop gap unit, strelky put them to shame in damage output

They need some buff, I think - after all, anything of any use in that doctrine comes at the end of the tree. It makes for a shame, that prop has nothing to add in the midgame, compared to other doctrines. So, they should get something, maybe AT nades after you research the Red Tide, or something conceptually similar (tied to further researches).

[Red_Stinger]

I myself found the naval infantry quite OP for their cost: for 2CP and 360mp (and a further 75muni) you can get a quite potent infantry unit.

I manage to get my NI squad to vet 3 at an insane rate against a Wer player.

As for the trenchs, I never really bothered to use them, to british for me.

But what disturb me the most, is that now soviet can build mg nest everywhere. WTH? I though they were doctrinal? And basically, they stay still horribly costly.
Oh boy, I remember the time when everyone would have flamed you if you dared suggest that the Mg nest shouldnt be doctrinal. 

[Desert_Fox]

Naval Infantry needs a buff? We're kiddin'?

Two squads are enought for make a slaugther of Axis infantry (maybe except Vet.3)... SVT + DP-28 + PTDR.

They're ok.

[RedGuard]

they have the lowest HP of any elite call-in
and have far less damage output then strelky

they dont need a buff, or a nerf. I believe what they need is a very slight reinforce cost reduction
for 39MP a man they dont perform like it - at all

[Mad hatters in jeans]

so if folks are saying Naval infantry are too cheap and reinforce cost too high a solution could be:
increase call-in cost 380-400?
reduce reinforce cost to idk 20-30?

they are a pretty badass unit, decent anti-inf but can also wreck light vehicles? and smoke grenades, molotovs what more could you need?

[cephalos]

while playing Propaganda they can easilly replace all other infantry squads - totally UP strelky, meat-shield conscripts and Vet. Guards, who might be effective too, but they don't get AT rifle.

[IJoe]

Just move 'em up the tree (swap with the "Red Tide") - problem solved - they just cannot be OP for 4/5 CP, call-in, can they? SVTs are just a skin (it's guards' mosins by stats), one PTRD is pathetic - just remove it, but let the upgrade bring AT nades with longer cool-down than that of guards'

[TheVolskinator]

Tbfh, I agree. However: FFS, replace british trenches with Sov trenches (In CW/RMC build menus). I want to garrison more then one squad and be able to REPAIR my trench, not delete it and start the hell over -.-  .

[RedGuard]

core elements of vanilla gameplay will not be changed

[Paladin88]

Brits have terrible trench maintainance. Seriously its falling to pieces and ...