Summary of the Ostheer sneaks [WIP]

[Blackbishop]

Indeed. I think they're overly complicating Ostheer. I myself am coming to be confused. Is Flak 38 worth it? I feel like Marksman or MG34 will meet my needs.

It is as simple as if you don't need it don't buy it , I think you are the ones that are over complicating this stuff . No one is making you decide between MG-34 and flak 38.

It's just a matter of what do you need at that moment.

[irik]

Then what's the flak 38 for? I think it's for racking up the bloody horde of reds and light vehicles alike, and I think MG34 simply holds back the red tide.

[Pac-Fish]

Indeed. I think they're overly complicating Ostheer. I myself am coming to be confused. Is Flak 38 worth it? I feel like Marksman or MG34 will meet my needs.

It is as simple as if you don't need it don't buy it , I think you are the ones that are over complicating this stuff . No one is making you decide between MG-34 and flak 38.

It's just a matter of what do you need at that moment.

Flak 38 has the power to mind fuck anyone it touches . All hail Flak 38 

Its like chosing b/w build a brit mg emplacement and a bofor. Or b/w a bofor and a 17 pdr. One excels at its job. The other is a jack of all trades. You decide what the enmey will send at you

[Bottlecap84]

I've also got a few questions about the doctrines. How is improved communications going to be in anyway useful? To be honest I rarely see forward HQs. On top of that is it really worth a 4 CP wait?

Why would a player need a Wespe if Panzerwefers are permanently available?

What is the difference between fortress troops and elite troops?
Actually a better question, What are fortress troops?
To be honest I think the Doctrine names were chosen quite poorly and  it is very hard to tell from the names what the doctrines are about.

[Blackbishop]

I've also got a few questions about the doctrines. How is improved communications going to be in anyway useful? To be honest I rarely see forward HQs. On top of that is it really worth a 4 CP wait?

About FHQs, that's the point of the ability don't you think? Give you a reason to build them. I'll come up to balancers if it needs some tweaks.

Why would a player need a Wespe if Panzerwefers are permanently available?

Don't know, maybe you are playing Scheldt? Dude, if you want to get more arty instead of getting tanks it is up to you. Remember that the doctrine is a complement for your gameplay, not vice versa.

Panzerwerfers are "normal" units, but you need to purchase the panzerwerfer research at T2 in order to get them and the aforementioned upgrade requires modernization of T2 to be available. Besides, panzerwerfers' damage won't be that high and wespe has more armour, and a nasty surprise packed up, which I cannot tell you atm .

What is the difference between fortress troops and elite troops?

lol? Are you serious?

Actually a better question, What are fortress troops?
To be honest I think the Doctrine names were chosen quite poorly and  it is very hard to tell from the names what the doctrines are about.

I think every doctrine's name explains itself at least in a basic level of understanding, supposing that you don't know what it is about, then after reading it's braches, you can realize what it is about: Improved Defences & Improved Supply should tell you something.

Army Support Troops(Luftwaffe Support/Foreign Support) -> Brandenburgers, Stuka dive bombing, foreign units,

Elite Troops(Assault Battalion/Elite Battalion) -> Jaegers, Tigers, Elefants and bonuses for managing a combined army(infantry near tanks get bonuses).

Fortress Troops(Improved Defences/Improved Supply) -> Panzernests, FHQ can operate on isolated territory, Wespe, Henschel KT.

Honestly I don't know if you are seriously interested or are you trolling ... but you should have in mind that you will decide what tech path and command tree you are going to choose, because your comments leave me a feeling that you think you will have everything on the field at certain point and that's not the case. You will always lack of resources to make that possible or if not, either you are wining or you are playing the wrong game type, where Eastern Front is not balanced upon(like Annihilate or it's no pop version or both teams saves resources for 15 minutes later).

Granted, Ostheer has many not cool abilities, but that would be addressed before the beta starts.

[Pac-Fish]

@blackbishop: Will FHQ cost less when Army fortress is obtained? It'd be kinda cool and it makes players want to use FHQ more. US Infantry doctrine does this to

I think Panzerwerfers will do less dmg. So wespe will be kinda fun .

[GodlikeDennis]

Some aspects of the doctrines, especially Fortress Troops, is my greatest concern for Ostheer at the moment. Be sure that we'll rework the useless powers as fast as possible so we can concentrate on faction balance.

[Red Banner]

Are you think that you can do ostheer as Christmas presen for us ?
I know you have a lot of work everyone, just a new video will be pretty good. (loooooog pls) 

[neosdark]

Panzerwerfers are "normal" units, but you need to purchase the panzerwerfer research at T2 in order to get them and the aforementioned upgrade requires modernization of T2 to be available. Besides, panzerwerfers' damage won't be that high and wespe has more armour, and a nasty surprise packed up, which I cannot tell you atm .

Was it that awesome ability I suggested way back when for the SPGs??

[Pac-Fish]

Panzerwerfers are "normal" units, but you need to purchase the panzerwerfer research at T2 in order to get them and the aforementioned upgrade requires modernization of T2 to be available. Besides, panzerwerfers' damage won't be that high and wespe has more armour, and a nasty surprise packed up, which I cannot tell you atm .

Was it that awesome ability I suggested way back when for the SPGs??

The rapid fire over heating barrel thingy bob ?

[neosdark]

Yurp that exactly

[stealthattack1]

hmm. why do i feel left out. btw, i checked your "list of units the mods will never in a million years add" thread, and i noticed there is now a ostheer section. congratulations!

[Pac-Fish]

I think there has always been an Ostheer section 

[neosdark]

Well not at first but then Bishop and i changed that

[stealthattack1]

well, the last time i checked it there wasnt, soooo......yea. i haven't checked it in a long time though.