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[Vrachov]

artilery strike work  realy similiar to strafing run from dow i dont see  point why add comissar to comand squad ?

[IJoe]

Simple - you don't add commissar to CS!
Read the thread again (the last couple of pages), and you'll get the idea...

[Vrachov]

i know what you want add comissars as a upgrade to regular squads  similiar way like in dow to improve propaganda strategy but what would they actualy do ?

[RedGuard]

I'd be happy with either addition. Command squad upgrade, OR propoganda call-in

I like the prop doc call-in better It could replace trenches or bunker because no ones uses them.

I dont think the commissar should have any abilitys, just passive aura bonus' that increase with gaining vet. like a brit officer. except the commissar would be like a captain and lietuenant combined giving offensive and defensive bonus'. of course however the bonus' wouldnt be as strong as the brits of course for balance reasons

the other cool idea is to make commissar an armoury upgrade for command squad that would do the same thing. except adding him to the command squad, and him doing the same thing. I like this idea too

[IJoe]

i know what you want add comissars as a upgrade to regular squads  similiar way like in dow to improve propaganda strategy but what would they actualy do ?

It written there:
1) make squads unsuppressible, but unable to retreat (while the commissar is alive), or
2) commissar will have some "charge"-like ability (with sufficient cool-down).

But really - IT'S WRITTEN THERE ALREADY!

@RedCommissar
Sorry, but I think your ideas are, in fact OP. And they, in fact, do seem a lot like DoW.

[Vrachov]

So they hadicape they squad making him unable to retreat.Danko already have charge propaganda also have smiliar ability red banner dp-28 also remove supression.Only way to make him usefull is to give him ability to increas firepower or rate of fire of the squad.

[IJoe]

So they hadicape they squad making him unable to retreat.Danko already have charge propaganda also have smiliar ability red banner dp-28 also remove supression.

First - it's doctrinal,
Second - it will increase the squad's size by 1 (goes only for conscripts, strelky, and guards, since shtrafnye already have a commissar), and increase it's firepower as well,
Third - Dp suppression resistance is immobilizing, this proposed is not,
Fourth - Yeah CS has "charge", but it's an area effect, and this proposed is only for the squad.

ADD-ON:
Fifth - it would cost (about) 50 munitions per upgrade (which is individual for each squad), so I doubt, it would ruin balance. And yeah, it's already written before.

[Vrachov]

i dont know why but it feels like it would be balance problem

[IJoe]

i dont know why but it feels like it would be balance problem

I have no desire at all to ruin balance. I think, that a thoughtful approach is required here, as well as everywhere else.
But it would be better, if you could form your feeling into something shaped.

[Vrachov]

he would use Ppsh or pistol ?

[IJoe]

he would use Ppsh or pistol ?

For 50 munitions? - I think, it's ok to arm 1 man with ppsh...

[RedGuard]

@comrade Ioe Ok so you're proposing the commissar upgade as a global upgrade that would add a commissar to every squad? I like it but I'm against the unsupressable unretreatable thing. I do like however the charge abilty idea.
Joe I absolutely loathe the lack of retreat on NKVD squads and so I dont really like taking that away from squads. to put it blunty im totally against that. its a huge disadvanatge and extremely exploitable by a good opponent

Also SU has a bunch of suppression breaking abilitys already So im not so sure we need more, Im still sticking by my idea of commissar increasing firepower in some way

50 munition 15 fuel armoury upgrade adds commissar to every barracks/mustering tent squad. increases their offensive abilitys in some way.

theres simply too many suppression breaking abilitys already in SU, penals guards, CS, doctrinal ability etc.
what they really need is a slight boost in offensive ability. this way it will synergise well with defensive vetted command squad


we should send this proposal to the dev team and see if it receives any support, otherwise we're just blowing hot wind here
or we can start a official thread in red army suggestion? Joe since you hold seniority you may have the honors if you desire to do so

[IJoe]

@RedCommissar
I'm not proposing a global upgrade, - only an individual one (like dp/ppsh, f.e.) for each particular squad, and only once the corresponding propaganda ability is unlocked,
Commissars carried out inspiration duties, thus I'm proposing, their effect/ability should reflect that fact,
Devs do read forum, so we don't really need to send them anything. Though I don't think, they'll take any part of this idea close to the heart. I mean, I've seen dozens of good ideas, and proposed few myself, but all those sank into the cold void of eternal abyss...

[GSmirlis]

I have just created this:
( In only 2 minutes! I could be a good skinner  )

@IJoe +1