[1.31] GodlikeDennis (Blitz) vs Commissar (Prop)

[Zerstörer]

Sigh....a man with no sense of belonging 

[jcraven33]

Good game for reference... I haven't seen many where the germans pull it out. I still think soviets are op but when someone as good as Dennis plays it shows there is hope. I would love to see some same level match ups and the results. Is it about 65% soviet wins to about 35% axis right now? Assuming an equal match up of course.

[RedGuard]

Good game for reference... I haven't seen many where the germans pull it out. I still think soviets are op but when someone as good as Dennis plays it shows there is hope. I would love to see some same level match ups and the results. Is it about 65% soviet wins to about 35% axis right now? Assuming an equal match up of course.

I respectfully disagree. None of what you just said holds any truth

except that Dennis is an exceptional player 

[Chancellor]

Good game for reference... I haven't seen many where the germans pull it out. I still think soviets are op but when someone as good as Dennis plays it shows there is hope. I would love to see some same level match ups and the results. Is it about 65% soviet wins to about 35% axis right now? Assuming an equal match up of course.

None of what you just said holds any truth what so ever.

except that Dennis is an exceptional player 

No its true.  I've had matches with Dennis both as and against Soviets.  Whoever plays the Soviet usually wins.

[RedGuard]

they're not OP lol  thats a rather dramatic thing to say at the least.

[jcraven33]

I disagree only because of the following reason: the replays that i have seen that involve SAME level players (or very close) go to the the soviets at about the percentage I suggested. I may be wrong but I am just going by what I am seeing. I am not very good so my games would not really be good examples, but even at my level I win at a much higher percentage as soviet and lose at a much higher percentage as axis. That's what I have observed. I would love to see more games where equal players have games where Germans kick some ass. I hope I am wrong actually :-)

[IJoe]

I wouldn't know, how you define the level of players, but the vast majority of replays I have seen were that of soviet losses.
Now, I'm not saying it totally objective, but that's what people publish (and that's another problem - you can never really see the whole picture). Add to this, that most players are more adapted to play certain faction(s), so they can't be equally good with all of them. This "statistics" thing is really a very slippery edge. So you have to be very careful not to slide down into the abyss of biases (intentional or not). And, as far as I can suppose, there aren't, like, 100500 testers in EF balance testing team. With the count of testers below 50 (at the least) you can't make any justified opinion from such testing, IMO.

[RedGuard]

I think the problem is the stigma associated with 1.0 soviets

when they were badly balanced and had design flaws

the initial memory seems to have never left players minds, which is ashame because ever since then there has been an un-official crusade to nerf them

[Blackbishop]

lol !!

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=773532

[IJoe]

lol !!

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=773532

Sad, but people are a mob... All people, at all times.
As one humorist wrote about people back in the USSR: "Each and every one of us, taken as a separate person, is a philosopher, an inventor, and walking encyclopedia. But put together we make a country of round-a-clock idiots". And as we all know, every joke is only that in part.

[jcraven33]

I see what you guys are saying...the game can't be perfectly balanced for all players levels and if the true experts are saying they can have two players play Angoville ten times with one who is an expert as Russians and one who is an expert as Germans and have the outcome turn out reasonably balanced then I will just take the pro's words for it. I am not hear trying to stir up trouble just giving an opinion of an average player and what I have observed (and felt at times while playing). I love the mod and think it is amazing what has between accomplished thus far. Thank you :-) I really enjoy the replays between the expert players as it shows the rest of us many new ways to improve our game.

[IJoe]

Sadly enough, I can't name an "expert" soviet player within the balance testing team, who wouldn't have PE as his favorite faction...

[Paladin88]

lol !!

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=773532

This is VERY sad. They virtually only try it once then make a judgement. They're probably the types that don't patch their games because they think the first release is the whole thing.

1)Downloaded EF today, just to see if REALLY anyone plays it. There was one guy in 1v1 auto match. All other auto/customs were dead empty...

Also, how do you uninstall EF?

This is a big problem, particually to those who do not visit the forums or check up information. You should include a link to the forum through the launcher!

I'm going off topic. To Commissar and GodlikeDennis: gg! It probably could of went either way!

[Blackbishop]

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This is a big problem, particually to those who do not visit the forums or check up information. You should include a link to the forum through the launcher!

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It's already there afaik .

[BurroDiablo]

It's good to see people over there defending EF. Peoples minds are so easily engrained by first impressions. Guess this is why the Ostheer better be balanced... maybe we'll get a few back in the net